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post #271 of 307 (permalink) Old 06-29-2016, 07:35 AM
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Alignment procedure

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Many years after using this useful thread to rebuild my Burman I'm ready to attache the pitman drop arm and do a preliminary alignment. I seem to remember a good writeup on this but can't put my mouse on it now. Anyone have a link?

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Hi,
I have disassembled another one of my Burman Boxes and have found that it did not have shims under the oval cover?? The other difference is that there appears to be a seal instead of the "O" ring at the bottom of the box. there was alco a metal spacer under the square cover which has the wire for the horn. When I put the steering column's next to each other the one with the seal is approx. 20mm longer. I am sure all the boxes I have are from Supers, so can any one shed some light on this anomaly?
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I have been trying to get some bronze bushes for the steering box with little luck. However I'm not sure if this has bee discussed here but I have got onto this product called Vesconite, a plastic used in industry for the same applications ve have. I am going to the company to discuss this further. It looks at this stage, this could be an answer to the problem.
The last box I have dissembled had a plastic collar on the steering shaft so I'll ask about this as well.
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Does anyone have a source for Woodruf keys for the steering wheel. I have 4 box's and only one key. Thanks.

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Does anyone have a source for Woodruf keys for the steering wheel. I have 4 box's and only one key. Thanks.

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You may cut a washer in halfs of the proper size and use that. Unless you find a new one.

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You may cut a washer in halfs of the proper size and use that. Unless you find a new one.
Thanks Wille R, I am wondering if there is a source for new ones. I can get some but the profile is different. Any one else had any luck??

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Regarding the woodruff key. I have seen these in bearing supply stores. Last time I was at the store linked to below was in 2010 but if my memory is correct they certainly had them - a good place to buy the replacement bearings too. . .

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As to whether the profile of they keys they have is exactly the same I cannot say. Goodluck!
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I was just about to write a question about shimming under the "football" but this thread answered it. Thank you.
I replaced the pictured box in a 72 Berlina last year, and the new (used) box has too much free play, so I'll take some shims out, see if that improves it. PS, this is a u-joint box.

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I was just about to write a question about shimming under the "football" but this thread answered it. Thank you.
I replaced the pictured box in a 72 Berlina last year, and the new (used) box has too much free play, so I'll take some shims out, see if that improves it. PS, this is a u-joint box.

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Andrew, there is a TSB on adjusting the lash. Do you have it?

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I'd like to follow. I don't think removing any shims will help. The slop is from the ball bearings rolling in the cage and if the balls or race they ride in is worn no amount of pressing down will improve that. There could also be slop in the football on top but again shimming won't take up any excess. That's just my theory and I'd be happy to be proven wrong hence the follow. I truly hope it does improve the workings.

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Well, I'll remove the football and see what's what. There's no fore/aft lash. And in any case I'm not taking this box out, or apart. If it's sloppy and removing shims doesn't make it better, he's going to have to live with it. Tie rod ends are OK. Idler box has some slop, but that will have to be fixed another day. This is a beater Berlina, on a budget.

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I spent quite a bit of time experimenting with different shims - taking my box out as many as 7 times to change the shims and then test drive.

One observation that I can share is that adding a paper gasket in addition to the metal shims increases the play, while using metal shim only produces less play. I attributed this to the effects of compression of the paper gasket-which surprised me.

Another thing to try is lowering the inflation of the front tires - perhaps down to say 27 psi and keep the rear at about 32.

Good luck. I would be interested to hear back about your experience.

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This box has a couple inches of play at the wheel. Ugh. I just got a 74 Berlina of my own, has about 1/4" play. The comparison is instructive, drove them both yesterday.
This box came out of a race car, no telling what its life was like.
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I'd venture to guess, pretty hard life.

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