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post #61 of 74 (permalink) Old 06-22-2019, 05:59 PM
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My only complaint with Autoguide is that they were (and are) way smarter than me and saw the cash cow that this and other forums are...

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post #62 of 74 (permalink) Old 06-22-2019, 11:20 PM
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Hahhaaa. You can hate on credit cards all you like. But, you can't rent a car... or heck travel or do much else without one right? Same with a smart phone. Can't attend a **** concert now - the only way to enter and get by inside is ticket on ape... I mean ap.

You can hate it. But, you have no choice. You may think you do. But, you won't. Trust me on that. Just don't put wechat or any tencent crap on there. Not that you will have any privacy, but at least you won't have an oppressive authoritarian regime listening in on your life.... heck forget it. Don't matter. Wechat and all. No diff between China & Trumpa.
I'm with Jim, I still use a dumb phone and have no need for a smart phone or an i-Phone. When I go out to eat with my children and their friends, I'm amazed sitting at the table with them with all of their phones out paying each other with their apps. as one person for a party of 25 picks up the bill with their credit card.

As for the bb, I use Firefox with my home computer, which blocks tracking better than the other browsers. A friend, and he knows who he is, switched me many years ago from Internet Explorer and I have never looked back. I have no ads or other intrusions using the Classic setting and AdBlock Plus.

There is a recent study out done by a cybernerd in New York that Google Chrome is the worst on a computer for tracking and targeting and even worse on smart phones because they own the software and furnish your global coordinates as well as everything you're searching and key stroking. No thank you.

Snowden's disclosure about what the government tracks was just the tip of the iceberg.
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I'm repeating myself, but here again in case some don't get it.
Attached is a sample of the intrusive tracking done by the AlfaBB, this is WITH A PLATINUM MEMBERSHIP.
This is typical from visiting a single thread, and these kind of queries happen with every thread and page you visit on the AlfaBB, whether you have a paid subscription or not.
Blocking this stuff often causes problems with how the site functions, like whether the pictures display.
Vintageveloce: We as the Moderators have elevated your issue up to Tech Support at Autoguide as we're unsure as to why you can't view pictures in threads - they are working on it & we'll drive it to get a response. Your issue is valid and we're concerned that resolution is taking some time - see PM from me

The rest of you.... that means everyone else !! did you miss the message where I said no more banal comments ??

The next unwarranted chirp from the peanut gallery on anything especially politics is going to earn the poster a time out like Ice Hockey's "5 for Fighting"


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I frequently find the site logs me out every time I click to a new page on the AlfaBB. It does this with all 5 different (Chrome, Firefox, Safari, Opera and Brave) browsers (all up to date). I am a platinum subscriber. I have whitelisted the AlfaBB.

If you could escalate this issue as well, it would be appreciated.

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Vintageveloce: We as the Moderators have elevated your issue up to Tech Support at Autoguide as we're unsure as to why you can't view pictures in threads - they are working on it & we'll drive it to get a response. Your issue is valid and we're concerned that resolution is taking some time - see PM from me

The rest of you.... that means everyone else !! did you miss the message where I said no more banal comments ??

The next unwarranted chirp from the peanut gallery on anything especially politics is going to earn the poster a time out like Ice Hockey's "5 for Fighting"


Go play in another thread....LAST warning -->

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I frequently find the site logs me out every time I click to a new page on the AlfaBB. It does this with all 5 different (Chrome, Firefox, Safari, Opera and Brave) browsers (all up to date). I am a platinum subscriber. I have whitelisted the AlfaBB.

If you could escalate this issue as well, it would be appreciated.
I stay logged in for days to weeks on several computers without problems. Do you have the "Remember me" tick box checked next to the login prompt?

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Vintageveloce: We as the Moderators have elevated your issue up to Tech Support at Autoguide as we're unsure as to why you can't view pictures in threads - they are working on it & we'll drive it to get a response. Your issue is valid and we're concerned that resolution is taking some time - see PM from me
The issue is simple (and the solution would be simple, too -- if anybody cared). For reference (and to keep source code uncluttered), I used this singled-out post #29 above in Chrome.

The trouble starts with this snippet of page source code:
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		<!-- attachments -->
			<div style="padding:0px">

					<legend>Attached Images</legend>
					<div style="padding:3px">
					<img class="photo" src="/bb/forums/images/AlfaBB_2015/misc/spacer.gif" data-original="attachment.php?attachmentid=1572282&amp;stc=1&amp;d=1560807574" border="0" alt="" />&nbsp;
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			</div>
		<!-- / attachments -->
What happens in this code is called "lazy loading" by substituting a "spacer.gif" instead of the original picture to be shown, and loading the original picture in the background (using a JavaScript snippet). The advantage of this approach is that the pages load faster on average (spacer.gif is only about 1 KB in size -- less than 0.5% of the original maximum picture size of about 250 KB). This is not the problem per se.

The real trouble is further down the page:
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<script src="//static.verticalscope.com/js/scripts-v2.0/scripts.js"></script>
This is the script that handles "data-original", which is a data container to hold custom data, but the script is not served from AlfaBB and blocked by many ad-blockers and/or anti-virus software. Hence, as ad-blockers prevent the script from being loaded, no script is executed, and therefore no original picture is ever shown (just the spacer.gif, which is 1 pixel by 1 pixel in size -- i.e. just a dot in what usually is interpreted as a transparent color).

Fixing the problem requires 2 changes:
1. Change the vBulletin BB server configuration so that the page source code does not refer to verticalcope.com but AlfaBB.com, and then either:
2. (a) create a redirect/rewrite rule in the web server (see cloudflare page) that replaces the AlfaBB link with a verticalsope link and so re-routes the request (but the reply would have to appears as coming from AlfaBB in order not to be blocked by ad-blockers and/or anti-virus software), or
2. (b) add a definition to the domain name server (a DNS entry) that defines static.AlfaBB.com and maps or redirects it to verticalscope (but, as mentioned in 2.(a) above, one would have to ensure that the output looks is if it were coming from the AlfaBB server rather than verticalscope server).
Practicality (that is, uninterrupted service) demands that change #2 gets implemented (and tested) before change #1.

I used stuff like this more than 20 years ago -- it's neither rocket science nor overly complicated to implement.

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Vintageveloce: We as the Moderators have elevated your issue up to Tech Support at Autoguide as we're unsure as to why you can't view pictures in threads - they are working on it & we'll drive it to get a response. Your issue is valid and we're concerned that resolution is taking some time - see PM from me

The rest of you.... that means everyone else !! did you miss the message where I said no more banal comments ??

The next unwarranted chirp from the peanut gallery on anything especially politics is going to earn the poster a time out like Ice Hockey's "5 for Fighting"


Go play in another thread....LAST warning -->

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He's blocked a lot of traffic. If he's done it through is router, that's one thing. If he's done it through a host file, that usually slows things down.

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Personally, I'm logged into the website, not an app, and my search for "won't start" yields "nothing found." It's Alfa- "won't start" should find thousands of threads. I guess it's time to move on.

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He's blocked a lot of traffic. If he's done it through is router, that's one thing. If he's done it through a host file, that usually slows things down.
If you are talking about me... No host file. Much of the blocking happens at my DNS server, which is a pi-hole. Wonderful device, and it cleans up all the surfing on all the devices on your network.
https://pi-hole.net/
It just doesn't reply to requests to bad domains.
I also run uBlock origin, but it's been disabled for alfabb for a while.
And on my phone I use a chromium browser, Kiwi browser. That works everywhere else, but is very problematic with the AlfaBB.

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The issue is simple (and the solution would be simple, too -- if anybody cared).
Of course they could just eliminate ALL of the calls to non-alfabb.com domains for subscribers. The tracking is invisible to most, but also very annoying.
I'm wondering if selling the tracking info is more valuable to verticalscope than the advertising. And I suspect tracking for the paid subscribers is even more valuable than for the non-subs.

Lots of forums just don't do all this tracking.

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I stay logged in for days to weeks on several computers without problems. Do you have the "Remember me" tick box checked next to the login prompt?
Thanks Reudi, two days now and this seems to work quite well. Much appreciated!

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I'm wondering if selling the tracking info is more valuable to verticalscope than the advertising.
I've been negotiating deals in the AdTech space since 2001 and yes, the tracking info is far more valuable to companies than the revenue from the ads. There are (or were before they were acquired by Oracle, Adobe, etc.) entire companies whose sole business is the tracking information (e.g., Liveramp, Lotame, and many others).

Companies such as "Optimizely" are actually using this tracking data to customize the web pages users visit. Think about that for a minute......

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