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post #31 of 46 (permalink) Old 08-27-2018, 10:24 AM
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just drove up to Oregon n back and love my Stelvio, smooth, responsive, and nimble
adaptive cruise control rocks, stereo bumps and mpg wasnt bad for speeds i was moving
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My ex-wife has a Guiilia, May 2017. On her third day, she had an accident and had to wait three months for parts. Those supply chain issues should be fixed by now. She has had no problems wit the car, none. Some cars had software issues documented elsewhere, but I don't find that surprising for a brand new platform. That stuff seems to have been sorted as well.

For comparison, I have a 2011 Jaguar XJL, 83,000 miles now. 5.0 supercharged RWD with a perfect 6-speed ZF auto tranny that suits the car. I like the calibrations better than the 8 speed. Beautiful car. Requires super expensive brakes every 30k, eats expensive tires, have had steering rack, AC compressor, and water pump under CPO and extended warranties. Big glass roof always getting adjusted (a true design flaw). Now up for full replacement of front end bushings and ball joints that have been eaten up by bad NE roads, also under extended warranty. I love this car. It's a major league driving machine. Buy the warranties and stay ahead of maintenance. Getting the "lifetime" tranny fluid replaced now, and supercharger serviced; should have done that earlier.

My friends who drive Audis, BMW, Mercedes do no better. When the Jaguar F-Pace was launched, all kinds of problems including poorly designed rear suspension bushings that were all being replaced. I am not slamming Jaguar, just noting that all new cars platforms have post-launch issues. I too am tired of Alfa getting slammed, and it is only a matter of time before I buy a newer or brand new Alfa.

By the way, when folks talk about older Alfas and rust, 164s seem to hold up very well except for a couple of known trouble spots. And I cant find any old European cars, or Japanese cars, except maybe a Saab or a Porsche (after the bodies were fully galvanized) that isn't a rust bucket unless driven and stored, or restored, carefully.

So tired of this topic, but happy to encourage new owners.
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The new Alfa's are definitely miles ahead of the the one's sold in the 70's/80's and should be as reliable as any new car today. My 1976 Alfetta GT had some service problems but 42 years later the car still runs like new. How many 1976 cars of any brand are still on the road ?? These are different days now and Alfa Romeo is producing cars with cutting edge technology. My neighbor owns a Stelvio and loves it.....
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Old Alfa cars tested on real roads around the World. Tipo 2 (Tipo, Dedra, 155, etc.) platform was tested for 10763000 km. Nowadays cars tested virtually and real life tests takes about 9 month only, mostly for the final tuning (brakes, engine behavior in heavy traffic) but not for a reliability.
In 80s mules appeared 3-4 years before production (first Tipo 2 mules were on test tracks in 1983), now just they appear about 11 months before (Giulia or 4c for instance). Even in 00s cars were tested at least 2 years (159).
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The new Alfa's are definitely miles ahead of the the one's sold in the 70's/80's and should be as reliable as any new car today.
Back in the 70's/80's they were equivalent to most other brands ... no different than today.

We look back now and laugh, but the automotive industry has moved forward considerably, especially with electrics and electronics, which were hideously implemented at first ...
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As I know Alfa started to digitalize cars (I mean road behavior, all physics) in 1983. Based on this huge 35 years old data base they design and test cars much faster.

Digital body design (2D and 3D) has been in use by Alfa since 1975

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Back in the 70's/80's they were equivalent to most other brands ... no different than today.

We look back now and laugh, but the automotive industry has moved forward considerably, especially with electrics and electronics, which were hideously implemented at first ...
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You are right Pete. Quality control and rust proofing, (or the lack thereof), problems were common back in those days. TC Cortinas were notorious for example. I remember a guy calling a radio station when they were discussing the problem and saying that he went round a corner in his new Cortina and the whole rear axle fell out. Rust was a problem for a lot of cars then and all cars could have electrical issues. We used to routinely rebuild engines at around 100,000 miles then, whereas most last at least twice as long as that these days. Perhaps Alfas were singled out because they were more expensive than the average car. They certainly werenít worse.

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2010 159 ti 1750 TBI sedan (red).
2004 GT 3.2 V6 (Stromboli Grey).
2008 159 TI Sportwagon 2.4 JTDM (Stromboli Grey).
1987 75 3 litre (red). My first 75 and now my son's.
2000 156 2 litre Twin Spark, ( Cosmos Blu metallic), my daughter's car.
2000 156 Monza Twin Spark, (Cosmos Blue metallic), sonís girlfiendís car.
1999 GTV 3 litre 24 valve V6, metallic black, (sonís new car).

Non Alfa
1988 Range Rover Classic Highline 3.9 V8

Past Alfas
1989 75 3 litre, written off by runaway van.
1990 75 3 litre Potenziata (black), now sold & living in Newcastle NSW.
1990 75 3 litre Potenziata (grey, sadly deceased due to fire).
1982 GTV 2 litre, red, (daughter's first Alfa)
2 x 1992 164s, (1 red, 1 grey).
2 x 1988 33s, (both red).
1985 GTV 2 litre, (white).
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You are right Pete. Quality control and rust proofing, (or the lack thereof), problems were common back in those days. TC Cortinas were notorious for example. I remember a guy calling a radio station when they were discussing the problem and saying that he went round a corner in his new Cortina and the whole rear axle fell out. Rust was a problem for a lot of cars then and all cars could have electrical issues. We used to routinely rebuild engines at around 100,000 miles then, whereas most last at least twice as long as that these days. Perhaps Alfas were singled out because they were more expensive than the average car. They certainly weren’t worse.
In New Zealand I think there was a hang over from World War 2 and if it was not British it was junk. My father who is (now 80) a bloody good mechanic, hates Italian cars but loves Mercedes, in particular. BTW: He's a car nut (worse than me) and he loves driving Italian cars, but probably won't admit it. He had a Sud Sprint once as a company car, and I could hear him blipping down the gears as he reached home ... lol.
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My youngest brother is a bit like that. He is also a great mechanic and owns Holdens, a 67 Mustang, air cooled VWs and a Range Rover, but refuses to say nice things about my Alfas or our dad’s. As far as I know he has never worked on one or driven any besides our 159 Sportwagon. Go figure.

Current Alfas
2010 159 ti 1750 TBI sedan (red).
2004 GT 3.2 V6 (Stromboli Grey).
2008 159 TI Sportwagon 2.4 JTDM (Stromboli Grey).
1987 75 3 litre (red). My first 75 and now my son's.
2000 156 2 litre Twin Spark, ( Cosmos Blu metallic), my daughter's car.
2000 156 Monza Twin Spark, (Cosmos Blue metallic), sonís girlfiendís car.
1999 GTV 3 litre 24 valve V6, metallic black, (sonís new car).

Non Alfa
1988 Range Rover Classic Highline 3.9 V8

Past Alfas
1989 75 3 litre, written off by runaway van.
1990 75 3 litre Potenziata (black), now sold & living in Newcastle NSW.
1990 75 3 litre Potenziata (grey, sadly deceased due to fire).
1982 GTV 2 litre, red, (daughter's first Alfa)
2 x 1992 164s, (1 red, 1 grey).
2 x 1988 33s, (both red).
1985 GTV 2 litre, (white).
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As usual, Consumer Reports, in the newest issue, once again stated their opinion that the projected reliability of the Stelvio would be much worse than average, just as they did with the Giulia.

What's with these guys, with their anti Italian bent. They have no viable reason to give out such ratings. If nothing else, the rating should be "average" and go from there, up or down.

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korean cars had the same rep...but overcame this with a 100000 mile power train warranty....we can argue how good that warranty really is (ask me how i know), but the korean companies gave the perception that they stood behind the cars...alfa should have done the same sort of thing given how the general opinion is of them.


as far as consumer reports goes...i once bought a car based on their recommendations...never again

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And, as we all know, the moment you let the smoke out of the wires the electricity goes away.

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Oh--that's a good one.

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On the new Stelvio and Giulia engines
4 cylinder Is the valve system belt driven, or Chain? If belt what is the mileage clock for replacement?
On the 6 Cylinder, Same question Belt or Chain and when do you change belt if belt?

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ENGINE: ALL-ALUMINUM 2.0-LITRE TURBOCHARGED 4-CYLINDER 280 HP AWD ENGINE
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MultiAir2, SOHC, 4 valves per cylinder with silent chain-driven timing drive
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ENGINE: ALL-ALUMINUM 2.9-LITRE TWIN-TURBOCHARGED V6 505 HP AWD ENGINE
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Chain-driven DOHC with intake and exhaust continuous camshaft phasing
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Doesn't mention diesel engine???
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