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post #16 of 30 (permalink) Old 12-31-2017, 07:39 PM
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I must admit, and it's only my own opinion and experience, I feel that if if you can't see, you just can't see. and if you get used to a certain car with limited vision out the rear quarters, you are just used to not being able to see. Potentially dangerous, thus the extra expense of rear cameras, etc.

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I'm not sure what this says about Alfa and its sales, but I'm hearing Giulia and Stelvio commercials at least twice an hour from the Costa Mesa Alfa Romeo dealership stating that they are taking $3K off each of the car's MSRPs; additionally, the Morengo Casino is giving a Stelvio away on Sunday.

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If you are judging the Stelvio by hearsay, you are not doing yourself a favor. The one journalist admitted he has never liked the "shield shaped" grille on any Alfa. So what does that say for bias.
I have read nowhere where you could not see out the back window.
I drove commercially for 30 years...no back window, no accidents.
Side mirrors are your biggested visual protection. The interior rear view mirror only shows the size of the vehicle about to hit you.
So far our Stelvio has lived up to expectations and I do not anticipate problems of past Alfa's. i.e.: belt tensioner failure, power windows that go too slow, a/c that doesn't work. We always passed those off as part of the character of an Alfa. Now we have cars built to compete in the world market. We in North American have been denied driving Alfa's for 20+ years, but the rest of the world has been enjoying Alfa's progress and getting better. Some of us perceive Alfa stopped making cars in 1995 and now they suddenly have come up with a new design that we should be wary. I think they have done their homework
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If you are judging the Stelvio by hearsay, you are not doing yourself a favor. The one journalist admitted he has never liked the "shield shaped" grille on any Alfa. So what does that say for bias.
I have read nowhere where you could not see out the back window.
I drove commercially for 30 years...no back window, no accidents.
Side mirrors are your biggested visual protection. The interior rear view mirror only shows the size of the vehicle about to hit you.
So far our Stelvio has lived up to expectations and I do not anticipate problems of past Alfa's. i.e.: belt tensioner failure, power windows that go too slow, a/c that doesn't work. We always passed those off as part of the character of an Alfa. Now we have cars built to compete in the world market. We in North American have been denied driving Alfa's for 20+ years, but the rest of the world has been enjoying Alfa's progress and getting better. Some of us perceive Alfa stopped making cars in 1995 and now they suddenly have come up with a new design that we should be wary. I think they have done their homework
Cheers, Jon

Well stated. Automotive journalists are generally paid by the word. Not on accuracy. Fake news in another form. I used to do interviews with the automotive press. I would read the article they wrote and ask myself "w
ho in the hell did they interview? couldn't have been me."
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"I drove commercially for 30 years...no back window, no accidents"

I easily buy that, but backing up out of a suburban driveway all the time? I suspect it is just not the same, judging by the number of people, esp children, are run over by accident. Thus the upcoming Federally required backup cameras.

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"I drove commercially for 30 years...no back window, no accidents"

I easily buy that, but backing up out of a suburban driveway all the time? I suspect it is just not the same, judging by the number of people, esp children, are run over by accident. Thus the upcoming Federally required backup cameras.
I drive a propane truck and back into people's driveway 15 to 30 times a day.
Use the mirrors!!!!
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"I drove commercially for 30 years...no back window, no accidents"

I easily buy that, but backing up out of a suburban driveway all the time? I suspect it is just not the same, judging by the number of people, esp children, are run over by accident. Thus the upcoming Federally required backup cameras.
Actually it was a delivery box van... I backed up at every stop. And the Stelvio has back up camera standard equipment
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Actually it was a delivery box van... I backed up at every stop. And the Stelvio has back up camera standard equipment
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Yep. How in the world have we done this for so many years?
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Trouble is, it's usually the parents backing out in the morning, etc, which causes the problem. The local papers and TV news report this happening every once in a while.

I don't doubt your own professional skill. The real life home situations are a little different, and side mirrors don't work well for seeing the back side of an SUV where a child might be playing. Ordinary consumer SUVs don't come with those rear mounted angled mirrors seen on delivery vans, thus the back up cameras.

My younger bro had one of the plastic Fresnel lenses stuck on the back window of his VW van so that he could see whether or not his two kids were playing/hiding behind the van. It worked to some degree. Finally bought an aftermarket rear camera.

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Somehow we got off topic.
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To me this statement says you can't see out the back window ... "Another issue is the rear window is very small and provides poor rear visibility."

For the record, I stated this reviewer's bias upfront -- that he owns and drives Maserati's.

Off topic or not, I also had one of the periscopial plastic window applications on the rear window of my barn-doored, 3/4 ton Suburban, which I loved and used, in particular, for parallel parking because I could see the rear bumper and tell how far I was from the car behind me; it also allowed me to see while backing, in addition, to the truck sized, side mirrors. So yes, I'm accustomed to being able to see where I'm going forward or in reverse.

I don't find rear cameras to give the same visual perspective as doing it the old-fashioned way with mirrors and my eyes.
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Guess i got used to it in my Juke, added a rear view camera, taught all who drive it to turn around and look back, not with mirrors. Bought the Stelvio without test driving it, and no regrets. Love everything short of no car play, but hey, were spoiled. with only 140 miles, im still taking it easy, but its been fun and power is amazing. This driveline in my 67 GTV would be such a blast, I mean, seriously, sooo much fun.

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Another write up in WSJ a day or so ago. He loved it but couldn't afford that hot engine model.

Tried to convince a friend of mine who bought a new Tesla X that he should have bought this car, but he wanted electric. For me, if I could afford it, I'd want the range and fast "refill" for trips.
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