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post #1 of 9 (permalink) Old 09-08-2019, 08:24 PM Thread Starter
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Replacing Missing Door Keys

Hello all! I have spent some time searching the BB for info on replacing lost keys, and Ive found some leads but not exactly everything I am trying to find.
I only have ignition keys for my car, non original (PO put in a new barrel set). I have no key for the glove box, trunk, or doors.
While I dont plan on driving my car places where I need to have my door locked ( ) I would like to be able to lock my glove box and trunk for sure.

I see Keys4Classics is spoken very highly of, but I have no key code or anything to go off of to send them to copy a key set for me.
Also, I would prefer to have at least one OEM looking key, if I could track down OEM looking key blanks, what would they look like for a 74 spider? I found this thread with pictures of keys from a 69 spider, is the key marked "Torino" what a 74 accessory key would look like?

Is there a way for me to find my key codes? Take apart the locks? I see Keys4Classics has blanks for the doors etc, but how do I know which style is the one to fit my locks?
Locks are a new territory for me, as far as having no key to start with!

Thanks in advance!

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Keith at Keys4Classics is a wizard.

Take pictures of the keys, both side and end. If you don’t have all the keys, you have to remove the inner lock mechanisms, insert the blanks he’ll send you, you take pics of the tumblers sticking out, and new keys show up.

Unlikely he’ll have OE blanks. Those rarely show up anymore.

Don P
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Past Alfas...
59 102 Touring (first Alfa $500 running)
65 Sprint GT (2nd Alfa, $500 daily driver)
102 Sprint (never did anything with it, but wish I had)
74 Berlina (first new car - now certainly rusted into oblivion)
61 Giulietta Spider G-Prod Race Car (where is it now?)
84 Spider Veloce (rarely drove it, so sold it)
86 Quadrifoglio (Dull car - no more 115s for me)
1971 Montreal "The Full Monty". Fair winds and following seas

Current Alfas
59 102 Touring Roadster - restoration complete, enough Alfa for any rational man. Or irrational, for that matter
Oops. Add to the "present" list, 10204 01488, 2000 Touring Roadster project

And past...
Two 1946 Stampe SV4C (c/n 294 "Rocinante" - wife's favorite airplane. RIP), and c/n 235 "La Bon Temps Femme" (gone to a new home, but never forgotten)
Zlin 50LA (+9 -6 gees, titanium spar, 1200 lbs, 260HP rumored to now be in Brazil)
1946 Luscombe 8A
Starduster Too (recently spotted at the Nevada City, CA airport - over 20 years and an entire continent separating it from our stewardship in Binghamton, NY)
1955 Cessna 170B (wife taught me to fly tailwheel in this)

And present...
64 Mooney M20E ("Rambo". My faithful steed for over 40 years) Over 55 years old, and just returned from a trip to Argentina in him
Newest in the fleet
1967 Piper Super Cub on Wipline amphibious floats (a true "all terrain vehicle")
2010 Triumph Thunderbird


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It might be worthwhile contacting Classic Alfa for a lead on key blanks. They sell locksets with the proper keys. It could be they're just sitting on a big stash of them but if not and someone is making them, then that someone is getting blanks somehow.

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This is the same key that my Spider (71) uses on the door and glove box: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Alfa-Romeo-...QAAOSwj5FdYAd4
My trunk lock is a Torino SAFE and the Taylor 63R looks like a match: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Aut...sAAOSwS5BbRniZ

Chuck

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It might be worthwhile contacting Classic Alfa for a lead on key blanks. They sell locksets with the proper keys. It could be they're just sitting on a big stash of them but if not and someone is making them, then that someone is getting blanks somehow.
I will check it out!

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Keith at Keys4Classics is a wizard.

Take pictures of the keys, both side and end. If you don’t have all the keys, you have to remove the inner lock mechanisms, insert the blanks he’ll send you, you take pics of the tumblers sticking out, and new keys show up.

Unlikely he’ll have OE blanks. Those rarely show up anymore.
I emailed them, they asked that I have a local locksmith try to make a key for it, then they will use photos of that key to make further keys.

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This is the same key that my Spider (71) uses on the door and glove box: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Alfa-Romeo-...QAAOSwj5FdYAd4
My trunk lock is a Torino SAFE and the Taylor 63R looks like a match: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Aut...sAAOSwS5BbRniZ

Chuck
Thank you! This is what I was looking for, I want to try to track down at least one matching key when its all said and done, but I had to know what an original to my car actually is

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I emailed them, they asked that I have a local locksmith try to make a key for it, then they will use photos of that key to make further keys
Uh, pardon my astonishment. My several experiences with Keith were at the other end of the spectrum. I couldn’t be more astonished if you’d reported you walked into Baskins-Robbins, asked for a scoop of chocolate, and they suggested you go find some and they’d try to duplicate it.

I’m betting you got the wrong company, or Keith is gravely ill, or your email didn’t translate well.

Don P
Carson City, NV

Past Alfas...
59 102 Touring (first Alfa $500 running)
65 Sprint GT (2nd Alfa, $500 daily driver)
102 Sprint (never did anything with it, but wish I had)
74 Berlina (first new car - now certainly rusted into oblivion)
61 Giulietta Spider G-Prod Race Car (where is it now?)
84 Spider Veloce (rarely drove it, so sold it)
86 Quadrifoglio (Dull car - no more 115s for me)
1971 Montreal "The Full Monty". Fair winds and following seas

Current Alfas
59 102 Touring Roadster - restoration complete, enough Alfa for any rational man. Or irrational, for that matter
Oops. Add to the "present" list, 10204 01488, 2000 Touring Roadster project

And past...
Two 1946 Stampe SV4C (c/n 294 "Rocinante" - wife's favorite airplane. RIP), and c/n 235 "La Bon Temps Femme" (gone to a new home, but never forgotten)
Zlin 50LA (+9 -6 gees, titanium spar, 1200 lbs, 260HP rumored to now be in Brazil)
1946 Luscombe 8A
Starduster Too (recently spotted at the Nevada City, CA airport - over 20 years and an entire continent separating it from our stewardship in Binghamton, NY)
1955 Cessna 170B (wife taught me to fly tailwheel in this)

And present...
64 Mooney M20E ("Rambo". My faithful steed for over 40 years) Over 55 years old, and just returned from a trip to Argentina in him
Newest in the fleet
1967 Piper Super Cub on Wipline amphibious floats (a true "all terrain vehicle")
2010 Triumph Thunderbird


You can snap roll an Alfa only one time...
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"If you can get a locksmith to find a key that fits (even if not the “correct” one) and get the cutting more or less right (5 cuts, each of only 3 possible depths, easy in terms of locksmith skills) then I might be able to determine a more original key and even the original code for it (from a few emailed photos)" , from Stuart, not Keith.

I thought it a bit odd that they basically told me to have someone else make the key, then they would use one of their Alfa style keys to make another.

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Keys4classics is a brilliant firm, their keys fit like gloves and are the closest to alfa originals, apart from hard to find and very expensive NOS.

K4C can't cut a key for someone who has a)lost the keys b)hasn't got a decent photo of both sides on file, or c) hasn't got a code written down somewhere.

You need to remove the barrel, unfortunately, probably from the door lock, as these have 5 tumblers, and I am not so sure the glove box lock - the easiest to remove - has 5 as well (anyone?)...

Personally I'd order the blanks from K4C (or you could throw 80$ on a NOS blank, like that ebay one) then have your locksmith cut them once he has the barrel in his hands.
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For my recent project, for which I had no keys, K4C sent me one blank each of all of the options for my car, I removed the lock barrels, inserted the blanks, took pictures of the protruding tumblers, emailed them to K4C, and back came good keys. The ignition switch had a code, and he cut that one right from the number.

I ended up paying for a couple of unused blanks, but that was trivial.

Might have been Stuart. Thought the name was Keith. Too much parts cleaner fumes, I guess.

Don P
Carson City, NV

Past Alfas...
59 102 Touring (first Alfa $500 running)
65 Sprint GT (2nd Alfa, $500 daily driver)
102 Sprint (never did anything with it, but wish I had)
74 Berlina (first new car - now certainly rusted into oblivion)
61 Giulietta Spider G-Prod Race Car (where is it now?)
84 Spider Veloce (rarely drove it, so sold it)
86 Quadrifoglio (Dull car - no more 115s for me)
1971 Montreal "The Full Monty". Fair winds and following seas

Current Alfas
59 102 Touring Roadster - restoration complete, enough Alfa for any rational man. Or irrational, for that matter
Oops. Add to the "present" list, 10204 01488, 2000 Touring Roadster project

And past...
Two 1946 Stampe SV4C (c/n 294 "Rocinante" - wife's favorite airplane. RIP), and c/n 235 "La Bon Temps Femme" (gone to a new home, but never forgotten)
Zlin 50LA (+9 -6 gees, titanium spar, 1200 lbs, 260HP rumored to now be in Brazil)
1946 Luscombe 8A
Starduster Too (recently spotted at the Nevada City, CA airport - over 20 years and an entire continent separating it from our stewardship in Binghamton, NY)
1955 Cessna 170B (wife taught me to fly tailwheel in this)

And present...
64 Mooney M20E ("Rambo". My faithful steed for over 40 years) Over 55 years old, and just returned from a trip to Argentina in him
Newest in the fleet
1967 Piper Super Cub on Wipline amphibious floats (a true "all terrain vehicle")
2010 Triumph Thunderbird


You can snap roll an Alfa only one time...
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