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post #106 of 572 (permalink) Old 10-15-2017, 12:52 PM Thread Starter
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The engine is out! It lifted out vertically with little trouble. I went slowly, so to navigate the bellhousing studs around wires, hoses, and that throttle spring assembly.

I was able to manage the engine by myself without difficulty. I do wish my HF hoist had about a foot more reach to it. I had to place it right next to the car, but I used some old bath towels to protect the paint job.

Now I'm going to fabricate the engine stand adapter out of that 6x6 square tube. Tomorrow (I'm off on Mondays) is power-wash day for the engine bay, trans, and engine.

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I look forward to following your rebuild. Take plenty of pics for the group of Alfisti.
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Tomorrow (I'm off on Mondays) is power-wash day for the engine bay, trans, and engine.
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Shift tower leaks can be due to too much oil. Alfar7 is a transmission guru and he reckons that the standard fill is too much. He has posted about it.
I am impressed with the progress that you have made.

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Great work.

I am just desperate to find out what caused your original engine problem.

As with all Alfa projects, consider overhauling the TX while its out. Bearings aren't too expensive, synchro parts are a bit high. Of course do the First Gear Fix. While you're doing that (the best way is to replace the dog tooth ring), carefully look over the other dog teeth. Redline 70/90NS ( be sure its the NS variety) will give you a better-than-you've ever seen transmission.

And there are also all those "while it's out" jobs on the engine as well. Like cross drilling the #2 and #4 bearings.....

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Great work.

I am just desperate to find out what caused your original engine problem.

As with all Alfa projects, consider overhauling the TX while its out. Bearings aren't too expensive, synchro parts are a bit high. Of course do the First Gear Fix. While you're doing that (the best way is to replace the dog tooth ring), carefully look over the other dog teeth. Redline 70/90NS ( be sure its the NS variety) will give you a better-than-you've ever seen transmission.

And there are also all those "while it's out" jobs on the engine as well. Like cross drilling the #2 and #4 bearings.....

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Forgive my ignorance (I've been searching the forums): If I buy another trans, I can take its 4th and 5th gear synchro groups and put them into my 1st and 2nd gear? I've also been searching the forums for the cross-drilling info...haven't found it yet either.

I'm somewhat torn about straying too far from my original task. I'm already in pretty deep with this engine teardown...I'm unsure about adding a trans teardown too.

It's all tempting, but I'm just a 'driveway mechanic', and don't have a plethora of space and special tools to work with!

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Shakey-- it's coming on winter, seriously, do both trans and motor. See my GTV thread from years ago. I was so happy (and still am) and believe me, neither of these - motor or trans-- is appreciably harder or easier than the other! I'm like you I think 58 years old a one man band and the ONLY help I get here at home is brake bleeding -- I've trained my wife well!! As long as it's 5 min or less--

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I've trained my wife well!! As long as it's 5 min or less--
Lucky you, sounds like sex is still on the table ... and a cup of tea afterwards
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Been following this thread for a while. Plenty of suspense but now I'm confused. Is it the brake bleed that takes five minutes or less something else?
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Forgive my ignorance (I've been searching the forums): If I buy another trans, I can take its 4th and 5th gear synchro groups and put them into my 1st and 2nd gear? I've also been searching the forums for the cross-drilling info...haven't found it yet either.

I'm somewhat torn about straying too far from my original task. I'm already in pretty deep with this engine teardown...I'm unsure about adding a trans teardown too.

It's all tempting, but I'm just a 'driveway mechanic', and don't have a plethora of space and special tools to work with!
Yes, you can. But a call to Larry at APE might get you the parts a lot cheaper. The hard part is pulling the dog teeth off - there's a set on each gear, and 1 and 2 are the ones that wear the most. You should likely replace the matching shift rings too.

For cross drilling just read thru the tech discussion on RJ's sticky thread.

I overhauled my first transmission sitting in the driveway when I was a grad student. Rented a gear puller, and used a hot plate (and freezer) to heat the gears to slide them back together.

But you'll need a press - I got an 8 ton from HF for $99 - to pull the dog teeth. Or a quick trip to a shop.

Cross drilling is complicated enough that you really have to get it done at a shop that knows how to drill Alfa blocks. There are a few around. Also you need specific bearings for 2 and 4 when you do.

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Cross drilling is not necessary unless you run at 7000+ rpm. I have been using 7000 rpm shifts for many years with no problems with a stock block and crankshaft.
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I got the engine stand adapter fabricated. Now it's power washer time.


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I'm like you I think 58 years old a one man band and the ONLY help I get here at home is brake bleeding -- I've trained my wife well!!
You are a better man than I. I finally went and purchased one of those pump tank bleeder arrangements. I can do it faster myself, and don't have to have the conversation about "why?"

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Love the photo with the engine on it's stand in the driveway! Years ago I had my BMW engine out for a rebuild, along with the xmission, and it was a guy magnate; every dude out walking with his family walked up to have a chat, no matter what age. I was a celebrity for a while. Then, I power washed them. After the wailing and knashing of teeth from the neighborhood association and a few others, I wasn't so popular.

Happened again when I power washed the car's carpet...that was worse in many ways.
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