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Neither my disassembly photos, shop manual, nor wear indications seem to identify the orientation of the radiator fan. The placement seems to slightly affect the fore and aft position of the fan within the radiator shroud.

Does anyone know offhand which way is right?

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Neither my disassembly photos, shop manual, nor wear indications seem to identify the orientation of the radiator fan. The placement seems to slightly affect the fore and aft position of the fan within the radiator shroud.

Does anyone know offhand which way is right?
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Neither my disassembly photos, shop manual, nor wear indications seem to identify the orientation of the radiator fan. The placement seems to slightly affect the fore and aft position of the fan within the radiator shroud.

Does anyone know offhand which way is right?
Also you can look inside the center hole and one side will have a step in it that matches the aluminum spacer that goes on the front of the w/p pulley.

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And so, the dance begins:
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The engine went in yesterday without any particular difficulty. Just as during disassembly, I was working solo. I just had to go slow, and maneuver the engine into position as I lowered it bit-by-bit.

This afternoon, I got the transmission installed. I had left the engine mounts loose in preparation. I placed a piece of 2x4 on the jack, and placed it under the front of the oil pan, to tilt the engine downward in the rear. I used a motorcycle jack (the same I use to drop VW engines) to raise the trans into place. It took three attacks before I got everything positioned correctly, and slid the trans home. Everything bolted up fine; ground strap and rear trans mount secured as well.

It was certainly more difficult installing the trans with the new motor mounts, than it was removing it with the old mounts. The stance of the engine in the bay sure seems different...much higher.

I started to reinstall the propshaft, but forgot about having to compress the guibo for re-install. I bought some large hose clamps at O'Reilley's, but I'm at a natural pause for the night.

I am certainly jealous of guys with shops and lifts. Although these tasks are certainly do-able in one's driveway, the lack of easy accessibility and maneuver room complicates things at every turn.

After all this, I cannot imagine changing motor mounts with the engine still in the car...although I've seen on the forums that several have done it.

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I am jealous of those of you who are young enough to do this stuff solo without a lift and a tranny jack!
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Preachin' to the choir . . .

We were talking about how, back in the day, the done thing was to simply put the car on jack stands, rest the transmission on your chest, slide your creeper under the car and then gingerly lift the trans up to mate with the engine. It was easy-peasy. Then my friend Bob gently reminded me that we're not 30 years old any more . . . sigh.
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All of the under-car work is finished. The whole propshaft, clutch slave, flywheel sensors, lower trans cover, and even a freshly-repainted oil pan guard are now completely installed.

I think my plan of attack now is to get the starter bolted on, attach the exhaust, then move to the front and install my rebuilt radiator.

I think I'm going to leave it up on the jackstands until I accomplish the first start, just so I can get underneath and check for problems, or perform any troubleshooting.

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Don't forget the blood sacrifice. If you haven't shed some blood over your new motor it will be forever out of phase . . . Just sayin'.

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Don't forget the blood sacrifice. If you haven't shed some blood over your new motor it will be forever out of phase . . . Just sayin'.
Oh yes, the Gods of the Busted Knuckles get their share! Sometimes I wonder if I'm an aspiring Alfa mechanic, or an amateur cage fighter.

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After all this, I cannot imagine changing motor mounts with the engine still in the car...although I've seen on the forums that several have done it.
Removing/installing the dash to get to the heater and the passenger side motor mount are some of my proudest Alfa achievements. And the timing belt on my daughter's Camry.

I don't even have a garage. Just 2 good trolley jacks and jack stands. I made some wood blocks to raise the car higher.

Good tips on doing stuff alone.

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Good tips on doing stuff alone.
When working solo, a ratchet strap is often my best friend. When I took the trans out, I looped a ratchet strap around the rear axle, hooked to the rear trans mount, and pulled it off the engine onto the motorcycle jack. When reinstalling the trans, I hooked one end of the strap to one side of the crossmember, looped it behind the rear mount to the other side of the crossmember, and pulled it onto the engine. When reinstalling the slave clutch, I loop the strap around the fork lever and rear axle; it creates enough room to easily install the circlip, install the operating rod, and apply a little grease.

It's a handy assistant, since my wife and teenage daughters are no help.
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I did the same thing when reinstalling my tranny last year. It would not go the last inch to make with the engine, and I was 69 years old, alone, and under the car. The idea of using a ratchet strap popped into my head, and I did the same as you. It worked like a charm. The muscle between the ears is always stronger than the muscle in the arms.

Great to see that you are so close to a startup.
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