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post #1 of 18 (permalink) Old 08-30-2017, 06:54 PM Thread Starter
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Rear Spring Pads - raise rear?

Just put on Centerline yellow performance springs front and rear. Love the feel. Front is perfect. Rear looks a tad bit low, but handles okay.

I had no rear spring pads when I took off the old rear springs, so I put on the new ones with no pads. If I install spring pads (with a metal protector between the spring and the pad) will it bring the rear up a bit? How much?

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On the rear there should be a rubber cup pad that goes up against the body. Then an aluminum spacer that is cup shaped. That the top of the spring fits in. If your missing the aluminum spacer this will make your car sit lower.

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On the rear there should be a rubber cup pad that goes up against the body. Then an aluminum spacer that is cup shaped. That the top of the spring fits in. If your missing the aluminum spacer this will make your car sit lower.
I had no pad and no metal tray.. Centerline had the pad, but not the metal insert. Classic Alfa had both, so I ordered both from them. Took one of my springs off today to install the pad and tray. They don't fit. Diameter is too big. Had to put the car back together and send an email.

Might just install Centerline rubber pads with no metal trays, unless someone has the proper sized tray for sale.

Not sure what to do with the parts I have that don't fit. Shipping back to England seems like more trouble than it's worth. Not thrilled with the situation.

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If you install the spring on just the rubber pad the spring will tear it up. You need either the thin metal top seat or the aluminum shim cups that Alfa used on the later cars.

Which is to big the spring, pad or metal cup?

If its the spring do they fit on your old ones?

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the S4 parts book (see pdf page below) shows 3 parts:
the rubber pad (pn. 60516761), a shim spacer (pn. 60516591) and a metal cup (pn. 60515932)

you will note the quantity given for the shim spacer is "1" (meaning one one side only, I presume)

but which side, and why?
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The rubber pad and metal tray I purchased look exactly like those pictured, but they are too big. They are the diameter of the front springs, but they are NOT intended for the front. The pad and tray are flat, as they should be, because the top of the rear spring is flat.

Centerline suggested that people are running with the pads and no trays as the trays seem to be unobtainable.

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so the rubber pad and the metal tray are too big?

but why are all the suppliers selling these trays then for the rear springs?....if they do not fit?
(search the part numbers, german, italian etc suppliers all show the same parts)
I'd guess all alfa 105/115 rear springs are the same O.diameter.

the front rubber pads are quite different shape, so they can't have got them mixed up.

you sure you have correct springs on your S4?

tell alfaholics the problem, they are a good company and will respond.
If they are wrong send them back at their expense.

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Spiders usually handle better with the rear a bit lower than the front. Maybe you should try to get used to the look.

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Spiders usually handle better with the rear a bit lower than the front. Maybe you should try to get used to the look.
I am right on the edge of doing nothing. It's a look I think I can live with and I like the handling. I can break the rear loose in a controlled fashion if I want to. A few centimeters higher might be perfect, but . . . Who knows.

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so the rubber pad and the metal tray are too big?

but why are all the suppliers selling these trays then for the rear springs?....if they do not fit?
(search the part numbers, german, italian etc suppliers all show the same parts)
I'd guess all alfa 105/115 rear springs are the same O.diameter.

the front rubber pads are quite different shape, so they can't have got them mixed up.

you sure you have correct springs on your S4?

tell alfaholics the problem, they are a good company and will respond.
If they are wrong send them back at their expense.
I just installed centerline yellows. It's not the springs. The pads do not fit in the recess into which the springs sit.

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so the rubber pad and the metal tray are too big?

but why are all the suppliers selling these trays then for the rear springs?....if they do not fit?
(search the part numbers, german, italian etc suppliers all show the same parts)
I'd guess all alfa 105/115 rear springs are the same O.diameter.

the front rubber pads are quite different shape, so they can't have got them mixed up.

you sure you have correct springs on your S4?

tell alfaholics the problem, they are a good company and will respond.
If they are wrong send them back at their expense.
I edited my post. I purchased them from Classic Alfa, not Alfaholics. In any event, I too thought all rears would be the same. Lesson learned. Check sizes before buying, and especially before dis-assembling your car.

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Sounds to me more like you ordered or were sent front pads/trays instead of rears, by mistake.
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Sounds to me more like you ordered or were sent front pads/trays instead of rears, by mistake.
No chance. Fronts and backs are totally different. I got rear trays and pads, but not ones that fit into the recesses in my car. Some cars must use bigger diameter springs. Maybe not spiders. Maybe earlier spiders. I don't know.

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Spring caps

This is what I have on Spider S3 upper caps
Hope this helps.
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This is what I have on Spider S3 upper caps
Hope this helps.
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Thanks. I was beginning to think I was crazy. Several suppliers assured me that the pads should fit. They hinted that I may have the wrong size springs. I told them the recess in the car isn't big enough for the pads, irrespective of spring size.

You are showing an inside diameter of 4 3/4 inches. The pads I purchased have an outside diameter of 5.125 inches. The metal tray that fits into the spring pad is over 5 inches. There is no way for me to fit the pad into a 4.75 inch hole.
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