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Boy huntsthehunt must be the life of the party! I am curious;what makes you the authority? I still say that all were 105's up to the 2000, but you, I may be wrong
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What is a 105/115 Spider?

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S2 is the stainless steel bumpers 71 to 74. S2a is the rubber bumper cars. 75 to 82. 71 on are kammtail cars.



No car were imported to the U.S. in 68 or 70 due to emissions.

I do not have rubber bumpers on my 1980. They are red to match the rest of the car. I suspect they were painted, but I've seen others from that year with the same style bumper but black.

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S2 is the stainless steel bumpers 71 to 74. S2a is the rubber bumper cars. 75 to 82. 71 on are kammtail cars.



No car were imported to the U.S. in 68 or 70 due to emissions.

I do not have rubber bumpers on my 1980. They are red to match the rest of the car. I suspect they were painted, but I've seen others from that year with the same style bumper but black.
So the 2a is just a way to differentiate the American versions with the rubber bumpers. Realistically they are all series 2.
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Boy huntsthehunt must be the life of the party! I am curious;what makes you the authority? I still say that all were 105's up to the 2000, but you, I may be wrong
For the historic cars, there are always exceptions, especially with the Spiders that were produced at the Pininfarina plant and sent to Alfa for mechanicals. It's well known, or thought, that the bodies were produced and then shoved in a corner to await assembly at the PF plant. That is why you don't see consecutive, sequential serial numbers produced on consecutive, sequential dates.

If you have access to a copy of the older Tabouchi book, he has noted quite a number of exceptions.

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Boy huntsthehunt must be the life of the party! I am curious;what makes you the authority? I still say that all were 105's up to the 2000, but you, I may be wrong
You can say whatever youd like to - even if you dont have a clue about.
But you wont win the argument ;-)

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Sorry for the off top. What was the logistic of Spiders assembly? What was done at Arese, what was done at Grugliasco? How cars shipped between factories? What company was responsible for shipping? Did assembled cars shipped to customers directly from Pininfarina or from Alfa? How Alfa Romeo entered body/engine numbers in their system, by actual assembly date or by arriving of paperwork?

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Never let it be said that Alfa enthusiasts aren't passionate.

The 115 series cars appeared in 1972. While the USA market cars were the 11500 2000 Berlina, 11501 2000 GTV and the 11502 2000 Spider, some non-USA market cars included the 11503 GT Junior 1.6, 11505 GT Junior 1.6 RHD and the 11507 Spider 1600 Junior.
So, since the 115 cars were not USA exclusive, why the change from 105 to 115? Simple. Alfa ran out of 105 designations! Sure, some European 105 models continued for years after 1972 (the 10521 2000 GTV and 10524 2000 Spider being just two examples) but there were simply no more new 105 designations left to be issued. The last two 105s issued were the 10593 Junior Zagato in 1970 and the 10597 2000 Berlina with auto gearbox for South Africa in 1974.

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Your 1980 Spider is a type 11541 (USA market 2L w/Spica fuel injection). This is a later version of 11502 USA 2000 Spider which is a later version of the 10562 USA 1750 Spider. Basically, your Spider is the descendant of previous versions (going back to the 10503 Spider 1600 from 1966). This is why Spiders can often be referred to as 105/115. It's a generic term that covers an almost 30 year span of 105/115 Spider production.
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Boy huntsthehunt must be the life of the party! I am curious;what makes you the authority? I still say that all were 105's up to the 2000, but you, I may be wrong
You can say whatever youd like to - even if you dont have a clue about.
But you wont win the argument ;-)

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You can say whatever youd like to - even if you dont have a clue about.
But you wont win the argument ;-)

I like to be on facts....
Is that Fusi's book? It's riddlde with mistakes and omissions. So, really not all that factually based.

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No, it's not Fusi.
Are you looking to find for the Golden Egg ?

I thought Jim's perfect answer would have been enough information to have stopped further tell tales.

About 105's and 115's VINs.
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No, it's not Fusi.
Are you looking to find for the Golden Egg ?

I thought Jim's perfect answer would have been enough information to have stopped further tell tales.

About 105's and 115's VINs.
Obviously English is not your first language. Either that or you are a real a-hole
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Totally incorrect. Euro Spiders also differ in 105/115's as well as ROW.



No. Spiders and as well Giulias got 115's VIN #'s from early Seventies on. IN EUROPE, TOO.
Quite correct, my S2 Junior was only sold in mainland Europe and is a 115, it left the factory in April 1972.

Daily drive is a Giulia 2.0 MA, wife drives a 939 Spider in the summer and a Abarth 595 in the winter. For special sunny days we have a S2 Spider Junior in the garage.
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Boy huntsthehunt must be the life of the party! I am curious;what makes you the authority? I still say that all were 105's up to the 2000, but you, I may be wrong
Yep, your wrong. My S2 Junior was originally a 1600, it is a 115. The junior only came as a 1300 or 1600, you never got then in the U.S or the UK though.

Daily drive is a Giulia 2.0 MA, wife drives a 939 Spider in the summer and a Abarth 595 in the winter. For special sunny days we have a S2 Spider Junior in the garage.
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So to clarify further, 105/115 refers to the chassis, and S1, S2, S2a, S3 & S4 refer to the body styling?


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Hi Greg

Okay you said "...My 1980 Spider is often described in literature and articles as a 105/115. Does this mean it isn't a 105 anymore, but it isn't quite a 115 yet?"

In answer to your question No, your car is definitely a 115 chassis. However the term "105/115" doesn't refer to a specific car, it's just a made up term to ease the parts ordering process. In American car catalogs, you would see the phrase, fits 1970-1981 Camaro/Firebird.

Well there is no such thing as a Camaro/Firebird, a car is either a Chevrolet Camaro or a Pontiac Firebird; but the car are very similar and the majority of the parts interchange. Similarly "105/115" means that many parts that fit the 105 chassis also fit the 115 chassis.

This isn't the first time this happened. The early Giuliettas are referred to as "750" cars, as Alfa developed the car it changed the designation to "101". In parts catalogs, you see the term "750/101" used to refer to, parts that fit both early and late Giuliettas.


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