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As evieceli "sez", there are many opinions so I'll add mine.
I have a 73 Spider Veloce and it's VIN starts with 115. It doesn't bother me when ordered parts as to which is listed, 105 or 115, they have always fit . Whether they came from the UK at Classic Alfa or Colorado from Centerline, they work for me.

When doing sparse reading on the Spider, I noted the designation of the S1, S2, S2a, S3 and the S4. Yes, two classifications of the S2.
From records we had no imports released during 1970 (those of you old enough to remember the Russian steel issue?). 69 of course was the S1, 71-74 were the S2, 75 thru 82 were (Kammtails) the S2a,, with the wonderful regs on "safety",, thank you Mr. Nader.

So hopefully, you get the idea, by the way, those 71's,, should have been 70's if they could have got out of the docks.

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Actually I believe that the 105 was all models up to the 2000, which became the 115.
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Actually I believe that the 105 was all models up to the 2000, which became the 115.
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, 71-74 were the S2, 75 thru 82 were (Kammtails) the S2a,
Every S2 from 1971 on is a Kammtail.
Russian steel wasn't used until 1974 in a lot of European factories.

A lot of tell tales in the whole thread.

Just check VIN's from 1971on @ Giulias and Spiders and a light will switch on.
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Wrong.
Just to try to retain any sort of sanity (LOL) here. This topic is complicated yet strangely interesting as well. Are there by chance any identification/versioning differences between European and North American series cars? I'm just wondering if we can all actually be correct in a sense that there was some sort of existing anomaly between the two. All I've seen here in the US for 105 cars are those with 1750 engines and 115 for 2000. I'm just going by what I've seen. Of course I haven't "seen" every model sold here and will gladly admit that I can be wrong and am just testing the waters here.

Are there any 105 US modeled cars with 2000 engines? If so, well then I'll go have a beer and drown away my headache. I am glad that there is a handy identification tag in my engine compartment showing 10562! Whew!

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US market is not the only one in the world - there is also ROW.
Spiders were not only equipped with 1750 and 2000 engines.

That's a fact, hardly to believe but true. Your Mr T also has some issues to believe there is anything else than the US in the world. May be he missed some lessons in geography.

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US market is not the only one in the world - there is also ROW.
Spiders were not only equipped with 1750 and 2000 engines.

That's a fact, hardly to believe but true. Your Mr T also has some issues to believe there is anything else than the US in the world. May be he missed some lessons in geography.
I'm sorry you feel inclined to providing such a comment. I personally never said that there weren't any other markets in the world other than the US. I only asked a general question comparing the US and European markets... of course there are other markets. Why wouldn't anyone think so?
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Some minor data to show the reality:

(as well with Giulias)
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US market is not the only one in the world - there is also ROW.
Spiders were not only equipped with 1750 and 2000 engines.

That's a fact, hardly to believe but true. Your Mr T also has some issues to believe there is anything else than the US in the world. May be he missed some lessons in geography.
We all know the US market is not the only one in the world. It was pretty clear to me the poster's comment that you are referring to showed a bit of uncertainty about the model number and how it relates to the engine displacement. In general, for the US and Canadian market, to which he was referring, 105 cars came with 1300, 1600 ad 1750 engines. The 115 cars came with 2000 engines. We never got the Montreal, nor did Canada, I believe. Canadians did get some cars in 1968 that we didn't get. See poster's comments below.

Introducing politics into this thread is in fact, going off topic. I only skimmed thru this thread but, did not see anyone mention Ms. M. So, why did you bring up Mr. T? He's got nothing to do with this.

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Actually I believe that the 105 was all models up to the 2000, which became the 115.
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Just to try to retain any sort of sanity (LOL) here. This topic is complicated yet strangely interesting as well. Are there by chance any identification/versioning differences between European and North American series cars? I'm just wondering if we can all actually be correct in a sense that there was some sort of existing anomaly between the two. All I've seen here in the US for 105 cars are those with 1750 engines and 115 for 2000. I'm just going by what I've seen. Of course I haven't "seen" every model sold here and will gladly admit that I can be wrong and am just testing the waters here.

Are there any 105 US modeled cars with 2000 engines? If so, well then I'll go have a beer and drown away my headache. I am glad that there is a handy identification tag in my engine compartment showing 10562! Whew!
The US actually got a few 105.62 Spiders with 2000 engines, Andrew Watry ran into one some months ago and posted pictures, etc. I went to my reference, Tabouchi and found that Andrew's car was the real deal. Strange, but true. :-)
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The pictures pretty much back up what I posted. Alfa started numbering the U.S. spiders in the early 70's 115's.

1969 1750 Spider Veloce w/dual webers, 1969 1750 Berlina, 1971 1750 Spider Veloce w/ dual webers, 1985 Spider Veloce 23,000 orig. miles, {Two} 1986 Spider Veloces, 1987 Spider Veloce bought new, 1988 Quadrifoglio, 1991 164S, Plus several more. I think they are breeding.
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The pictures pretty much back up what I posted. Alfa started numbering the U.S. spiders in the early 70's 115's.
But Euro Spiders also got 115#īs; what has been denied on page 1.
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In general, for the US and Canadian market, to which he was referring, 105 cars came with 1300, 1600 ad 1750 engines. The 115 cars came with 2000 engines.
The pic listings tell a different story about 1600īs; and on page 1 it has been stated Euro models have been 105īs throughout, and only US 115īs.

Thatīs wrong.

Thread starter question was: Differences between 105īs and 115īs.

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...Thread starter question was: Differences between 105īs and 115īs.
Wrong.

The thread starter asked if his 1980 Spider was a105 or a 115...
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From records we had no imports released during 1970 (those of you old enough to remember the Russian steel issue?). 69 of course was the S1, 71-74 were the S2, 75 thru 82 were (Kammtails) the S2a,, with the wonderful regs on "safety",, thank you Mr. Nader.

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S2 is the stainless steel bumpers 71 to 74. S2a is the rubber bumper cars. 75 to 82. 71 on are kammtail cars.

No car were imported to the U.S. in 68 or 70 due to emissions.

1969 1750 Spider Veloce w/dual webers, 1969 1750 Berlina, 1971 1750 Spider Veloce w/ dual webers, 1985 Spider Veloce 23,000 orig. miles, {Two} 1986 Spider Veloces, 1987 Spider Veloce bought new, 1988 Quadrifoglio, 1991 164S, Plus several more. I think they are breeding.
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S2 with rubber buper is market specific, not throughout changed.
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