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post #16 of 32 (permalink) Old 01-21-2018, 01:47 PM
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one more suggestion, use bar soap (dry) to liberally lubricate the metal opening, works great, doesn't hurt anything, ez clean-up

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My old gasket was hard and cracked. No option but to buy a new one.
Same story with the windshield. Pitted and scratched. It needed to be replaced also.

Got the new gasket from Cicognani. Looks accurate and well made. We'll find out when the new clear windshield for Prosource arrives.

The original clips (11 total) are in good shape and I plan on re-using them.

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I'm looking to replace the cracked windshield on my 1969 Spider Roundtail.
I emailed with Richard Tankel at ProSource Glass. He said the next batch of windshields will come out in the fall and to reach out to him in September.

Both JN Phillips and Safelite do not have them either.

Does anyone know if any other Spider Roundtail windshields are available in the USA now?
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Same story with the windshield. Pitted and scratched. It needed to be replaced also.
Mine, sadly, has several bullet holes, maybe from some unfortunate encounter early on in Sicily. (full disclosure - they're rocks)

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I don’t know of any other source for a series 1 windshield.
I will say that mine fit well with the replacement gasket.
The glass was a little undersized (better than being too big) along the A-pillar at the top. I made a wedge out of plastic that was about 8 inches long and 1/4 wide at the top. It was needed to push the rubber gasket out to the frame. Otherwise, the gasket might have leaked. It still might.
I’m very happy with the way the gasket lays across the top of the dash. Flat all the way across.

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The glass was a little undersized (better than being too big) along the A-pillar at the top. I made a wedge out of plastic that was about 8 inches long and 1/4 wide at the top. It was needed to push the rubber gasket out to the frame
That's interesting. You wedged between the windshield frame and the "back" of the gasket? Or between glass and rubber?

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Between the glass and the rubber.

I don’t remember offhand what windshield sealer we were using. But there’s a bead of sealant between the gasket and the windshield frame. And a bead between the gasket and the windshield.

The wedge is covered in that sealant between the windshield and the rubber gasket.

If it sounds like a mess. It was.
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I will say that mine fit well with the replacement gasket. The glass was a little undersized (better than being too big) along the A-pillar at the top. I made a wedge out of plastic that was about 8 inches long and 1/4 wide at the top.
Gee, I don't think I'd call that "fitting well". What was the source/brand of that undersized windshield?

I put a ProSource windshield + Classic Alfa seal in my Duetto a few years ago. It just went in, with no futzing around needed. My installer did use black sealant at the base of the gasket, where it fits over the clips - rainwater would certainly come in around the clips without sealant. I don't think he applied any sealant between the glass and gasket.

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Hi,

I have 2 S1 spiders and just purchased glass for both of them. So far, I've had one installed.

Bought glass from Pro Source. Glass (2 windshields) came from Canada. Pro Source was very good but their shipping company totally gouged me to deliver the glass (2 windshields on a palette) to my paint shop claiming it was a residential address. Nothing I could do would resolve the problem. $400+ for shipping! That's more than the cost of 1 windshield....

Make sure you buy a new gasket. Remove the front valance and check the trim clips under the windshield gasket. (the valance rests on the lower part of the clip and the windshield trim piece clips into the upper part, which sits on top of the valance.) If the clips are rusty, replace them. The only time you can replace those clips as far as I can tell is when the glass is out. (Somebody correct me if this is not the case since I have some more I need to replace..) This is also a terrific time to replace the rubber gasket at the front edge of the valance. Use new screws and speed-nuts to reattach it.

Take pictures of EVERYTHING before you take it all apart, including the inside trim on the sides. I didn't get good pictures of the side trim but am fortunate enough to have another S1 spider to use as reference. (hint: the little tabs at the bottom of the side trim pieces go on top of the window gasket, not behind it.....)

Remove all of the little trim chrome/trim pieces on the sides, top and bottom of the windshield including the inside plastic pieces on the sides. (You do not need to remove the top inside plastic pieces or the visors but it might be safest to remove the visors.) Catalog the screws and replace them as needed. A little #0000 steel wool on the chrome trim will clean it up and remove the rust stains from the screw holes. Note: The very long inside trim screws holding th eplastic inside side pieces are not available anyplace so be very careful with them.

I had a local glass shop come out and install the glass. I have worked with them on other classics and knew they could do it. HOWEVER, make sure you fit the valance and trim strip under the windshield when the installer is done to make sure the bottom of the gasket is pushed up far enough. (an alternative would be to measure the space between, say, the hood lip and gasket in several places before glass replacement and then again after.) Since the new gasket may stick out a little farther than the old one, there may be an issue with the wiper spindle covers not clearing the lower windshield trim strip. I'm still trying to figure out how to fix that.

Reinstall all the trim. The lower windsheild trim piece will be difficult to reinstall with a new gasket, but it will go back in. Use new screws where appropriate. A large Ace hardware store usually has every Hillman screw made if you need replacements. I've been there dozens of times matching odd screws.


OK, that's it! Hope it helps!

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All great tips!

Did you guys all get a clear from ProSource? I think Jay said clear.

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Be mindful when installing the glass as the dash should be lowered in order to protect the top of it. Good luck
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I got whatever they have. I think the "green tint" is so subtle that youcan't even notice it but I'm pretty sure my piece was clear. Here is an image with the codes from the windshield I just installed. The FW335 is the international code for this particular windshield for the S1 spider.
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Be mindful when installing the glass as the dash should be lowered in order to protect the top of it. Good luck
We didn't do that. Covered the dash with painters tape and paper instead.

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Did you guys all get a clear from ProSource? I think Jay said clear.
No, the windshield I got from ProSource was green tint. As Hodgepodge wrote, the "green tint" is so subtle that you can't even notice it.

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The only time you can replace those clips as far as I can tell is when the glass is out. (Somebody correct me if this is not the case since I have some more I need to replace..)
Yes, the only time you can replace those clips is when the glass and gasket are out.

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the dash should be lowered in order to protect the top of it
Can you lower the dash without removing it? I'd think it would hang up on the steering column and heater. My glass installer did warn me that the rope he used to seat the glass would smear sealant on my dash top. And it did. But since the top is just vinyl, some adhesive remover took care of it with no ill effects.

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I purchased my Duetto's replacement windshield through Paul Spruell Alfa. He is primarily selling engine rebuild parts and parts for Alfa Romeo racing application; no longer selling windshields and trim, etc. However, I was able to locate this information on the windshield that was purchased in 1993, actually only 26 years ago. The new windshield is now old and has started to de-laminate around the edges. That is just one more reason that I will drive this old car and enjoy it on the road, not just look at it.

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