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post #1 of 11 (permalink) Old 10-25-2016, 03:28 PM Thread Starter
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S4 - Engine + gearbox install - advice needed

I'm about to mount the engine + gearbox back into my Spider S4 and will install as many components on the engine as possible beforehand e.g. alternator, etc.

Should I mount the plenum chamber too or is it better to do this after that the engine is back in the bay?

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I find it is easier to mount the plenum, plenum support, starter, etc. before installing the whole assembly back in the car.

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according to the WSM as it comes out with plenum, starter, alt and exhaust manifold all attached, then that's the way I'd put it back.

WSM does mention removing the steering link for engine removal, so I presume that has been done.

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WSM does mention removing the steering link for engine removal, so I presume that has been done.
At least on my S3, you don't have to fully remove the steering link. Rather, if you detach the idler-arm assembly on the passenger side of the car, you can lower the steering link sufficiently out of the way to pass the gearbox through.
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At least on my S3, you don't have to fully remove the steering link. Rather, if you detach the idler-arm assembly on the passenger side of the car, you can lower the steering link sufficiently out of the way to pass the gearbox through.
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Well, I had removed the engine and gearbox separately and at that time I disconnected one end of the steering linkage to lower it down to clear the gearbox bellhousing flange (I removed the gearbox from below the car).

Then I could not see why the linkage needs to be lowered if I had to mount the engine and gearbox back as a unit so I assembled it back. Why would this be necessary? Not enough space??

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Then I could not see why the linkage needs to be lowered if I had to mount the engine and gearbox back as a unit so I assembled it back. Why would this be necessary? Not enough space??
Correct. Not enough space for the bell housing to fit between the top of the transmission tunnel and the steering cross-link. But as mentioned, just disconnect the three bolts that attach the idler assembly on the passenger side and drop it as far down as possible. There will be enough room then.

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I installed mine with plenum. Its way easier to install the plenum this way.

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I installed mine with plenum. Its way easier to install the plenum this way.

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Vin, I like the way you installed engine with the rad. overflow bottle attached!.......that odd shaped "T" hose is a real pita to get on with engine in the car....

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Vin, I like the way you installed engine with the rad. overflow bottle attached!.......that odd shaped "T" hose is a real pita to get on with engine in the car....
Oh yeah!

Only having to replace that hose will teach you that lesson!

One I dont soon forget.

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Thanks for the tip, I'll mount that hose before installing the engine! Any more bright ideas???

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