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Spacers under the seat?

I pulled the seat from my 86 Veloce today, and besides a dead little tree air freshener, I noticed that two of the seat mounts had these hard plastic spacers. I need to know if I'm missing two, and if there are only supposed to be two, where should they go- front mounts, or ?

The Service manual fails to mention the spacers...see pix below.
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I put several fender washers under the front trying to raise the front of the seat for thigh support. Did not help.

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I just went through this not long ago on my cousins 88.
This might help.
http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/spid...tall-help.html

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...and there's the answer. Thanks a gazillion.

Now I took to long to think about it, so I'm removing rust on the seat rails, treating them with rust converter then will paint them tomorrow. Typical mission creep :P

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I just looked at my car, and what a mess!
7 phillips head screws, 1 nut/bolt combo, instead of the proper shallow socket head cap screws, and only half have lock washers.
No plastic spacers, and only 1 steel plate.
The PO strikes again!

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Ha Ha! Sounds like you should count yourself lucky that the PO didn't weld the rail to the floor :P

I don't have any of the 'stops' that were posted on that other thread at all. Most cars have those...not mine. No plates, dinner or otherwise. And one of the front self-centering bolts was replaced with an equal length regular bolt.

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I just looked at my car, and what a mess!
7 phillips head screws, 1 nut/bolt combo, instead of the proper shallow socket head cap screws, and only half have lock washers.
No plastic spacers, and only 1 steel plate.
The PO strikes again!
The plastic spacers can be 3D printed...that's what I did for my broken one.
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Ha Ha! Sounds like you should count yourself lucky that the PO didn't weld the rail to the floor :P

I don't have any of the 'stops' that were posted on that other thread at all. Most cars have those...not mine. No plates, dinner or otherwise. And one of the front self-centering bolts was replaced with an equal length regular bolt.
Stops were added in the mid 80's per federal requirements. A lot of them were removed so shorter leg owners could reach their pedals.

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I don't have any of the 'stops' that were posted on that other thread at all.
Oh yeah... I don't have any of those either!

I want to get/make some to limit the travel to the rear, because it seems like the rails are digging into the carpet and might eventually slice through. I'm on 5'-8" so I can do without that extra travel.

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This is funny, but related. During the restoration of my Alfa, previous owner had stacked about 6 washers under the seat mounts in an attempt to raise the seat.

It resulted in the right rear drivers seat mount pressing itself through the floor, tearing away the metal from the side of the transmission tunnel.

I don't know how short, fat, and odd the previous owner was, but he broke the seat, painted the car yellow, and broke the rear springs. lol

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I don't know how short, fat, and odd the previous owner was, but he broke the seat, painted the car yellow, and broke the rear springs. lol
You shouldn't say 'fat', it's not PC. Rotund, 'abundant American', 'gravitationally endowed', and 'terrestrial eclipse' come to mind.

With my Alfa and my Super Beetles, I have learned to never underestimate the stupidity of a PO.
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"Gravity Impaired" could work also...

When I drove the BMW 320i's, both my 78 and later my 83 had at least one front bolt ripped out of the floor on the driver's side. I had to have both cars' seat perches welded up. Later, in Roundel magazine, a subscriber posted that this is a common issue due to the driver bracing his feet against the floor while fishing his keys out of his pocket and leaning back! Made perfect sense! I stopped doing that right away.

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I have learned to never underestimate the stupidity of a PO.
Hey! If my Alfa survives me, I will be the PO one day.
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When I dragged this 83 BMW 320iS home in ~2006, this is what the interior looked like; all from the PO: Pergo-! shift tray insert, giant Suntach gauge glued to the dash and wired with single strand home wiring, piles of lamp chord under the dash, he cut out the heat vents and installed a stereo there...




After an engine and drive train rebuild, I sourced some good used parts, and better Recaros:







And the next guy gripped about ME being a DPO- we all hack a car on different levels, I guess
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So, I just noticed that the threads on 3 of 4 mounting bolts are damaged and won't easily go back in. I can't screw any bolts with good threads back into the front two. More DPO whining.

My hope is to find a thread chaser (or is it a tap?) and repair the threads in the front two...time for a trip to the hardware store! I hope they can tell me the turns per inch of the bolts by the one good one I have.

***I just did a search, and found someone with an S2 used an M8x1.25 tap; same size for hex bolt. On my way to ACE hardware.

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