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post #16 of 22 (permalink) Old 05-11-2015, 09:11 PM
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Curiously you see a lot of Ferrari's with Fram filters on them and they are put on by Ferrari specialist shops and owners themselves?
Because for a lot of old Ferraris Fram filters were original, and some people care about stupid crap like that. Today's Fram filters have nothing in common with the ones made in the '60s.

I always wince when I see something like a Ferrari 330 and it's got these two big orange Fram filters sticking up in the engine bay. That engine's worth how much?...and they've got the cheapest-made filter in the world in there protecting it.

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I can't believe the mechanics and shops are just using Fram because they are traditional or because they are cheap. There is too much risk and liability for that. Also Ferrari people are used to spending money.
There has to be a real reason.
My guess is it has to do with flow rates of oil, the fact that Italian engines carry A Lot of oil in them, and maybe short oil change intervals.
That said I'm still sticking with my UFI filters on my Maserati!
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I can't believe the mechanics and shops are just using Fram because they are traditional or because they are cheap. There is too much risk and liability for that. Also Ferrari people are used to spending money.
There has to be a real reason.
My guess is it has to do with flow rates of oil, the fact that Italian engines carry A Lot of oil in them, and maybe short oil change intervals.
That said I'm still sticking with my UFI filters on my Maserati!
ok it is a jeep forum, but it seems to say Fram ain't that bad after all!
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Independent mechanics don't know everything about every part they install. Let's assume an authorized Ferrari dealer would use Ferrari filters.

Don't minimize the effects of marketing and easy availability. When a car comes in for an oil change, even a Ferrari...the parts either need to be on hand or easily available from whoever supplies the parts to the shop. Advantage: Fram.

Fram isn't a "Bad" filter...although if you tear one apart...go ahead, for 3 bucks at WalMart knock yourself out....and maybe get an equivalent Motorcraft for comparison... you'll be really surprised at the differences. Why would anyone tolerate less, uneven pleats, card board end caps, a nitrile ADBV, and a flimsy spring?

Also, with regard to Purolator, until they resolve (or even acknowledge) the media tear issue, they shouldn't be used, especially given the higher revving, thicker oil conditions of Alfas in general. Torn media cannot filter oil.

There are a lot of guys who post vids on YouTube of cut open filters (before and after use), there are a lot of independent labs who test filters for efficiency and flow rate and such...if you're in doubt, the data is out there.
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Ferrari filters? Have you seen one?
Independent shops that specialize in high end exotics are very aware of what they are using. I would think more than a nebulous guy on you tube who may have an axe to grind.
Again I am not supporting Fram as I don't use them, but so far the excuses seem rather lame other than the independent lab tests. Those I do believe.
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Ferrari filters? Have you seen one?
Independent shops that specialize in high end exotics are very aware of what they are using. I would think more than a nebulous guy on you tube who may have an axe to grind.
Again I am not supporting Fram as I don't use them, but so far the excuses seem rather lame other than the independent lab tests. Those I do believe.
Cut one open. The results aren't nebulous.

The independent shops typically use OEM, or they use what's available. An oil filter isn't exotic enough for them to necessarily do a lot of research. A Fram won't necessarily cause problems, so from their perspective 'We never had an issue with them". But the best?

I don't have a gripe here, and surely dont need to convince anyone of anything...just sharing my own unscientific findings, and for me, the Wix wins.
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Only filter used for the past 12 years and never a problem.

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