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post #1 of 42 (permalink) Old 06-06-2013, 11:06 AM Thread Starter
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Smaller oil filter/91 Spider

I have a 91 Alfa Spider Veloce with Air Conditioning.I picked up an STP-S16 oil filter at Auto Zone which is the filter that the application guide suggested.The filter is wider than the filter that is on my car,It does not look like the STP filter will fit.Does anyone know the part number for the narrower filter in any brand?STP,PUROLATOR,BOSCH,Etc. Any help is appreciated.
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Tony,

I use a Car Quest 85521oil filter on my '91 A/C Spider. According to the Car Quest store, this filter is manufactured by WIX; which has high rating for it's filters.

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I have a 91 Alfa Spider Veloce with Air Conditioning.I picked up an STP-S16 oil filter at Auto Zone which is the filter that the application guide suggested.The filter is wider than the filter that is on my car,It does not look like the STP filter will fit.Does anyone know the part number for the narrower filter in any brand?STP,PUROLATOR,BOSCH,Etc. Any help is appreciated.
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I just replaced mine with a Bosch. I can't see the number on it, but I used the one specified in the Autozone reference book, and it fits fine, same size as the one I removed.

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The OEM Alfa filter for a '91 Spider is pretty darned small (Alfa reduced the size over the years). Many folks such as myself use a bigger filter.

These days I usually use the Purolator PureOne filter but don't remember the code. It's the same size as the Baldwin B233 or the Mobil1 M1-204, though. I use this on both the Milano and the '91 Spider and it fits fine. I do always remove the airbox to replace it, though.

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I agree with Gubi. Remove air box and larger filter goes on easily. For my '91 A/C SV, I use a NAPA Gold Filter, which their literature specifies. Bigger than the Bosch that is recommended by IAP for cars with A/C.
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Looks like the purolator is L14670, or PL14670 in the PureONE version.

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Smaller filter

Are you guys saying that the stp filter will fit? How difficult is it to remove the air box?Seems like a lot to do just to change the filter?An Alfa shop must charge a lot to do an oil and filter change to a spider!
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should do, the S16 cross references to a Fram PH16, which is listed as a spider filter, as well as these:
http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/942865-post6.html

Removing the airbox takes a few minutes:
take off big air hose over engine
remove bosch connector plug (has a small spring clip you need to pry off first) from the AFM
Unclip top of filter box and remove filter
Then you will see a couple of bolts holding the lower part to the chassis, remove bolts and remove box
......now get at filter
NB: I'd also remove battery leads, as there are live wires on the back of the alternator, you do not want to be shorting out!...or just be careful, your call.

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I'd assume that if it's the filter specified by the application guide it'll fit. But I have no experience with that particular filter.

Removing the airbox takes about five minutes. Makes the job a lot easier than removing the filter from below in my opinion.

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I use the larger filter (FRAM) on my 87 and able to unscrew the filter from below and leave it sitting upright (not sure what against), and then from above reach under the airbox and lift it out.

I replaced the engine mounts a couple months ago, so it'll be interesting to see if the filter will just slip thru the bottom now.

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Are you guys saying that the stp filter will fit? How difficult is it to remove the air box?Seems like a lot to do just to change the filter?An Alfa shop must charge a lot to do an oil and filter change to a spider!
Thank You,Tony
I just changed the oil in my S3 the other day. Total time, including putting car on jackstands, removing airbox, draining oil, replacing filter, filling oil, and putting everything back together was just 30 minutes.

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should do, the S16 cross references to a Fram PH16, which is listed as a spider filter, as well as these:
http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/942865-post6.html

Removing the airbox takes a few minutes:
take off big air hose over engine
remove bosch connector plug (has a small spring clip you need to pry off first) from the AFM
Unclip top of filter box and remove filter
Then you will see a couple of bolts holding the lower part to the chassis, remove bolts and remove box
......now get at filter
NB: I'd also remove battery leads, as there are live wires on the back of the alternator, you do not want to be shorting out!...or just be careful, your call.
I also wash AND wax the air box, inside and out, before replacing.

I always remove the air box to change oil.

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Fram PH16 fits my 93 and 94 Spiders. They are put on a lift and the filter is slid up and into place.

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If your looking for a smaller filter that is very easy to change, use a NAPA 1342

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Most of the cross refs at autoparts stores just show the larger one these days:
Fram PH16, Bosch 3402 or my personal favorite Royal Purple 20-253 'cause it is such a cool purple color.

You are going to at least look at the air filter anyway so I recommend going with the bigger oil filter, the threads are the same and the seal works fine (have not compared the diameters of the seals but there is a wide mating surface on the engine)

If you take it some place to have the oil changed check the air pressure in your tires before you leave, those jerks love to crank it up to 50 or 60 psi trying to make you think changing the oil has improved your gas mileage until you have to slam on your brakes and your stopping distance has increased dramatically.

Oh and get a cap wrench, allows you to clear the alternator from the top or the oil sump from the bottom. Cap wrench from the top with a 3/8's ratchet = easiest filter removal of any car I've owned. Hard to fit a cap wrench on those Fram filters with the non-slip paint on the top, make sure you have a cap wrench to fit before you install, Bosch 3402 and Royal Purple 20-253 use an "A" cap wrench.
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