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And in the US market, I think we got way less than the full palette of colors. Of course, cars get brought over now from Europe, etc.
The late John Hertzmann was very up on this stuff. I have a 1971 paint chart, but not 1967.
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I think you are right. I think especially if we are talking about the cars sold here from "dealer stock". I often wonder what exactly was the "typical" way that a new Alfa was bought in the U.S. back in the 60's. Nearly every person that I have ever spoken to that bought an Alfa new back in the 50's through the 60's, bought it "off the lot" from some little specialty dealer. I wonder if you could even go to a dealer in the U.S. and order a car to your specs at all.
That said, if you could order one, I would imagine that there were probably all sorts of possibilities for the right price. For example, I have heard that for 105 cars, (some, most, idk) leather interior was a "special order" option for any car. I have also heard of things like the four headlight "Super" grille as being an option on some Giulia TI's. If there is any validity to either of those, then I would imagine non-typical paint colors would be pretty attainable.

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...Is your car all original, or do you have it "personalized"? -pic?
Fairly original, it still has the 1600 but with dell'orto 40's, GTA ram pipes and electronic ignition, plus a few suspension upgrades. I just posted some fresh photos here... https://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/sed...ml#post8412952

I'd love to do a TS conversion but i think i'll just enjoy it for what it is at the moment.

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Fairly original, it still has the 1600 but with dell'orto 40's, GTA ram pipes and electronic ignition, plus a few suspension upgrades. I just posted some fresh photos here... https://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/sed...ml#post8412952

I'd love to do a TS conversion but i think i'll just enjoy it for what it is at the moment.
Ahh okay, I've seen your thread before. Your car looks great! I love the look without bumpers. I can't decide if I want to do mine with or without, both have their attractions for me. We will see!
Enjoy your beauty!
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And in the US market, I think we got way less than the full palette of colors. Of course, cars get brought over now from Europe, etc.
The late John Hertzmann was very up on this stuff. I have a 1971 paint chart, but not 1967.
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I think you are right. I think especially if we are talking about the cars sold here from "dealer stock". I often wonder what exactly was the "typical" way that a new Alfa was bought in the U.S. back in the 60's. Nearly every person that I have ever spoken to that bought an Alfa new back in the 50's through the 60's, bought it "off the lot" from some little specialty dealer. I wonder if you could even go to a dealer in the U.S. and order a car to your specs at all.
That said, if you could order one, I would imagine that there were probably all sorts of possibilities for the right price. For example, I have heard that for 105 cars, (some, most, idk) leather interior was a "special order" option for any car. I have also heard of things like the four headlight "Super" grille as being an option on some Giulia TI's. If there is any validity to either of those, then I would imagine non-typical paint colors would be pretty attainable.

The US importer, ARI, would have ordered cars from Alfa Romeo. ARI would pick the colors that they felt would sell. I think this was common practice among all of the marques. And you're right, most people bought off the lot. Few folks ordered their cars.

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The US importer, ARI, would have ordered cars from Alfa Romeo. ARI would pick the colors that they felt would sell. I think this was common practice among all of the marques. And you're right, most people bought off the lot. Few folks ordered their cars.
I think this, and racing & special parts programs, dealer mods, etc., have all contributed to a lot of the ambiguity about originality. This is noted in the inconsistencies documented between different sources of literature, as well as much discussion on this site, and others.
I think that the ambiguity regarding a lot of what is "original" on the 105 cars, (and maybe particularly the sedans) is why the market has been more tolerant to many modifications. This has included everything from well-executed performance modifications, to color combinations.
Although I will not dispute that a car that is totally original to its verified, supporting factory documentation will probably always command a premium over a comparable condition car with period correct modifications or non-original colors combinations, but by subjective opinion is that the premium will probably never be that significant, except when the cars become popular to the collectors and speculators.
My priorities for the Alfas I have owned have always included trying to remain faithful to the spirit of these cars with mostly period correct, (or seemingly period correct) mods that wont prevent the car from being returned to original by any future owner if that's what they want. However, having the car totally original as it came from the factory while I own it is not part of those priorities. If they are yours, that's cool to me too.
-just my $.02 on this.

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In this period, Alfa did not sell many cars in the US. Like a few thousand a year. So out of the half million Giulia sedans made, we got very few of them. So I can't imagine the US market was that important to the product managers, etc.
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For example, I have heard that for 105 cars, (some, most, idk) leather interior was a "special order" option for any car. I have also heard of things like the four headlight "Super" grille as being an option on some Giulia TI's. If there is any validity to either of those, then I would imagine non-typical paint colors would be pretty attainable.
All 1600 TI's/Supers's from 62 on had four headlamps, even Nuovas. All 1300's up to the MY72 S3 Unificatas had single headlamps but 4 after that changeover ("unified" the 1300's and 1600's). Since original, many cars have grills modified in some way by PO's. Only the MY 65-67 Supers had the "split heart". Cheers.
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Alfa didn't really have options then. They came they way they came.
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