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Wanted: Giulia. Buy it Here in Milano or When I return to USA next year?

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Here's the question - I am currently living in Milan Italy for work and will move back to the USA (Philadelphia) in July 2019. As a family we have decided that we should get a cool car the whole family can enjoy. Ive been looking at Fiat 500s and Lancia Fulvia Coupes, but the Alfa is the one we want. Should I buy here and bring it back or is the supply in the USA good enough? Obviously price is a factor . I'm not going to pay a premium here if prices are better in the USA.....On the other hand, having a Giulia to drive around over the next year is worth something!

My dream car is a GTA/Junior/GTV coupe but the prices are too high - plus I want something large enough for the family to enjoy. I'm going to pour through this forum and stickies to learn all I can about which models to go after, etc. Would love to keep it in the later 1/2 of the sixties. Any advice is appreciated. Am very open minded about models and other suggestions

Been a car-nut all of my life an am finally trying to get an Alfa. Lots of old-car experience (65 Benz Coupe and Volvo p1800s as previous cars) so projects, within reason, don't scare me off. I'm really looking to turn this into a family obsession and project with the boys. We were at the Alfa Museum recently and the family fell in love with the dark blue Super they have on the floor. My wife said, "that's the one I want"
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Here's the question - I am currently living in Milan Italy for work and will move back to the USA (Philadelphia) in July 2019. As a family we have decided that we should get a cool car the whole family can enjoy. Ive been looking at Fiat 500s and Lancia Fulvia Coupes, but the Alfa is the one we want. Should I buy here and bring it back or is the supply in the USA good enough? Obviously price is a factor . I'm not going to pay a premium here if prices are better in the USA.....On the other hand, having a Giulia to drive around over the next year is worth something!

My dream car is a GTA/Junior/GTV coupe but the prices are too high - plus I want something large enough for the family to enjoy. I'm going to pour through this forum and stickies to learn all I can about which models to go after, etc. Would love to keep it in the later 1/2 of the sixties. Any advice is appreciated. Am very open minded about models and other suggestions

Been a car-nut all of my life an am finally trying to get an Alfa. Lots of old-car experience (65 Benz Coupe and Volvo p1800s as previous cars) so projects, within reason, don't scare me off. I'm really looking to turn this into a family obsession and project with the boys. We were at the Alfa Museum recently and the family fell in love with the dark blue Super they have on the floor. My wife said, "that's the one I want"
See that last sentence, that can be your life saver. By the the way a Berlina is a fun family orientated car and there are lots in the states and at good value.
Here is a picture of my Berlina resto and my Junior. Regards John
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Congrats on your decision! I recently acquired a 69 Giulia Super from someone here in the US and absolutely love it. I don't know anything about importing a car, but I did consider buying one from Europe prior to finding mine here only because I didn't find a decent supply in the US. So I think if you find a good one in Italy I would buy it there. You get the bonus of getting to use it for a year there, plus likely easy access to mechanics that are familiar with the model so that you can get it properly sorted. And I would expect that you will be getting a lot of "thumbs up" from the Italians wherever you drive it as well. Keep us posted.

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Welcome and congratulations on having the wife on board...

I don't know the prices in the US-Italy, but wherever you look, look for the best you can afford. You'll find loads of information on the board and a lot of helpful folks.

Seeing as you would be able to enjoy it for a year in Italy, I would try to get one in Italy. Driving an Alfa is always great, but driving one in Italy is amazing. In Italy you can do no wrong in a classic Alfa, young to old they are all passionate about their cars

In case you want a very original and rust free example, I know someone based in Milan who always has those (which to my eyes is preferable over a well restored example). I bought my Giulia from them and people keep drooling over it, me included

Have fun and show us pictures when you've bought one!

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I think you'll find that at least from a selection standpoint, buying in Europe will be in your favor. There were a lot more Supers sold in Europe than in the US.

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What I love about the Super is that you are getting 90% of the driving experience of a Coupe or Spider but can fit people in the back seat. I recently had four large adult males in my Super and none complained. Then again, they were all Alfisti.

FWIW, I'd go for an early '70s 1300 in the best shape you can find - which should still be cheap. It should have a hydraulic clutch which will make dropping in a 2L when you get it back to the States a snap which I would highly recommend.
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I second the vote for a Berlina if you can't find a good Giulia Super. And I would definitely try to find one there. We drove our e36 BMW from Germany to Italy on our honeymoon, and while the little BMW was perfect for Germany it felt huge and ponderous in Italy. The experience of getting to drive a Super in Italy before returning is worth a lot.

Plus shipping overseas really isn't that expensive.

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Since you're in Italy you can be your own agent, which can be fun. You'll find a lot more Supers in Italy than just about anywhere else in Europe (where there are still substantial numbers) and, while prices are going up in Europe, they are a still a bit cheaper in Italy. It's still possible to find the pristine example that's been in the same family for decades, but is now for sale . . .

That said, I don't at all recommend that you spend time looking for a good deal. Instead focus on buying the best car you can find. You'll pay a premium for a premium car but you'll appreciate that approach in the long run.

Before you get serious about buying a car, however, I suggest that you spend some time at the local US Consulate finding out about the ins and outs of shipping a car out of Italy to the States. Every country is different so it pays to talk to someone who knows the ropes. The commercial officer at the Consulate should be able to get you pointed in the right direction.

Once you find a car, it goes without saying that you should never buy on looks alone. Even if you're good with cars, it never hurts to have a 3rd party Alfa shop check the car out for you. Everytime I've done that some things were always discovered that, in my enthusiasm for the car, I'd overlooked.

Good luck on your search and keep us posted.

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Take plenty of time to inform yourself and join a local Alfa or classic club (make sure there are members who speak english).
Ask them for cars and specialist garages.
Cars in Italy should less suffer from rust (if not based near the sea).
Cars in Germany or Switserland might have more money spent on maintenance.
Labour rates should be significantly lower in Italy and, as stated by shakingthrough, with a classic Alfa you will be most welcome in garages which will have knowledge of common problems and you will have time to sort them.
"Mobile.de" is a very good an logical website with plenty off classic cars
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I'm sort of partial to Supers.
The last one I had I had a 2 L installed.
Outstanding!

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Thanks for all of the help! I am reading as much as I can.... In fact being here in Italy almost makes it more difficult - there are so many different specs and models. There are a lot for sale in all states of condition. The idea of a Berlina might not be a bad one - the prices seem to be a bit lower.... plus a 2 L swap sounds fun.

You are right about the labor rates being low, so buying something that needs a little work is an idea because having the work done here will cost a lot less. Parts are plentiful while here too.

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Update, I am looking at 2 different cars here in Italy, one a 1970 1300 TI and the other a 1973 1300 Super. I am focusing on body condition and interior since the mechanical bits can be addressed and considering a future engine swap. What are opinions on the two models? The super is slightly higher level trim (better steering wheel, gauges, etc), has the better quad light grille. The 73 I think has dual carbs while the 70 TI has a single dual barrel set up.

Specifically, the ones I am looking at, the 70 is "prettier" with a red vinyl (leather?) seats, the 73 has cloth seats. Again, I'll hopefully see the cars in person soon - but I was wondering if there is any reason technically that one model is "better" than the other. Any chassis or suspension differences?

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I too am interested in your adventure, and would like to import one also.

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On second thought . . . Unless you are enamored with the search for a car, you might find it more expedient to simply search out a reputable classic car broker in Milano and let them find you a car. This approach has strengths and weaknesses, of course. You almost certainly will not get a "good deal" from a broker. (That's just not in their DNA---they find the good deals and then make a profit by selling the car to you.) On the other hand, a reputable broker---someone who's hard-wired into Italian car-culture in ways that you are not---will be in a far better position to ferret out the exact kind of Super you want than you are.

If you decide to go this route I suggest that you take advantage of the broker's expertise and only buy the best car you can find. Doing this allows you to be picky, something a good broker will understand quite well. You should be prepared to pay top-dollar for the car but, if you find a Super that's absolutely perfect, you'll still be getting a bargain.

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Know it’s a bit of a far away dealer - but check out Stelvio.dk they have 2 Giulia’s. One is a bit and bolt restoration and pricey. The white one is a 1300 Super with a 1750.
I’ve driven it and it’s a gem. One Danish owner that has spent a lot of money keeping it - renovated engine and generally a real solid item. I’ve bought a number of Alfa’s through Stelvio and also had some cars commissioned and they are a real reliable and honest couple of gents that have the dealership. Buy one and take the long road to Milan - the trip down through Germany and over the alps is a road trip of a lifetime.
http://www.stelvio.dk/product_detail...aster&maID=414

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