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post #466 of 1674 (permalink) Old 10-08-2009, 02:06 PM
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wiring diagram rear heater

Here is the wiring diagram of the '62 Giulia Ti owners manual.
As you can see the rear window defroster is no 28 and connected to the heater switch.
does not look to me as an accessory or afterthought.
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Joost, I`d say you`re right -it doesn`t appear to be an optional aftermarket accessory like I thought it may have been. My `65 (printed 1/1964) handbook doesnt show it though so must have had a short life and then deleted. I wonder why as until the element in the glass appeared there was no replacement.

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Richard,
I remember my father having several Fiats during the 60's. (1300, 1500 and 125) which had no defrosting of the rear window either.
To stop condensation there were after market transparent plastic windows (oval or rectangular) that one could stick to the window and that would create a non condensation zone for the damp, leaving a see through area.
This we had at least until we had a new Audi 100 LS in 69, but even there I am not sure if we had electric heating.
Remember also that adding an electric fan is a huge cost for a car manufacturer! and if profits are under pressure, those type of decisions are made to delete costly features.

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Just checked my parts manual and this was available for the Ti, Ti Super and Super. Never seen one myself. So as shown in the pic by AlfaStation above, was a factory option
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I suspect it may have been a fairly expensive option and maybe not that popular-there doesnt seem to be many cars that they seem fitted to.
I too Joost am old enough to remember those clear plastic panels on the rear windows and slightly later those Smiths stick on silver elements, forerunner to the factory units. These cheaper effective options may well have persuaded purchasers of the time not to bother with the factory option.

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isn't it lovely how we can keep ourselves busy with trivia as window demisting in the sixties??

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Pathetic really isn`t it, but interesting detail. it`s Friday night here , tonights rugby is over and I`ve had too much coffee.

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Aaaahhhh. Its friday afternoon here. But are you drinking coffee with the rugby?? Sober KIWIS?? Thats remarkable to say the least.
We have stuff called beer here, which is usually consumed during sportsmatches..

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Did the beer thing Joost, finished the night with a coffee on the computer on two forums-this and a Citroen DS site.

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very, very nice

going through this... I wonder if its possible to just keep the patina of this dutch beauty from the very beginning, she's so rock'n'roll
Mine is a bit more bourgeois these days but on good way...

a giulia and a hill, that's fun
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Love that front on shot-shows plenty of curves in what people think of as a boxy car and also gives a clue to how that Cd is so good.
Citroen with their DS make a big thing about being so aerodynamic and they were fantastic for 1955 when they came out but the `62 models were not as aerodynamic as our Giulias.
I never cease to be fascinated by my Giulia when I look at it and its detailing.
Quite a small frontal area too

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Yes I know what you mean Richard. For the record, however, if my memory serves me correct both the Citroen ID 19 / DS 21-23 and the Giulia had the same CD (Co-efficiency of drag resistance ??) of 34, both of which were well ahead of the Porsche 911 and E-Type Jag, even if the Jag looks sleek, which it was except for the windscreen being too vertical.

The beauty in the design in the Giulia was not just the round nose (sides of the front guards and as well from the bonnet to the windscreen), the curved front and rear windscreens, but as well the flutting on the roof (which carried over to the Berlina), as well along the doors/front and rear guards, and finally and most importantly the fold over of the roof panel onto the rear screen, the wrap around of the rear guard to boot valance and the use of the Kamn tail. All up one hell of a clever design.

I recall going for a drive in my brother's 1300 Ti and he put it into neutral on a down hill section and the car actually sped up going down the hill rather than slowing up. I am pretty sure this was a testiment to its aerodynamic design.

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Out of a brochure I have
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Thanks for showing that Derek, I`ve ever seen that before in any material I`ve come across.
Dave, having just acquired the Citroen (1971 DS 5 spd) I`ve been reading every book, brochure and net article I can get my hands on. They had a redesign in the very early `60`s to improve the aerodynamics and the figure quoted was .35 Cd which Citroen never bettered in the DS even with the `68 revision to the nose. Giulia was better.

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No worries Richard. I just found where I scanned and posted the entire booklet a few years ago for all to enjoy.

Giulia Sedan Development Booklet - Operation Giulia

Its a great read!

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