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post #151 of 1728 (permalink) Old 08-11-2013, 05:50 PM
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Yeah, I've seen that one on the ABB before. Can't remember the guy's user name. Pretty sure he's in Boston. Looks like a nice car.

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post #152 of 1728 (permalink) Old 08-11-2013, 07:38 PM
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looks nice!. want it! why does it say 1300?
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why does it say 1300?
Regardless, the description states it has a fresh 2L in it now.

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That one looks very nice and seller seems honest.
Ask if rear axle gearing have been changed (original a 1300 car), could be tiresome on long runs with 1300 gearing.
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That one looks very nice and seller seems honest.
Ask if rear axle gearing have been changed (original a 1300 car), could be tiresome on long runs with 1300 gearing.
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I don't think it would make any difference. The red lines are the same. I don't think a 2L sounds any different at 4000 RPM than a 1300. My 1.3 purrs at 80 MPH. The only advantage to the 2L is acceleration and torque to get to 4000 and above. I don't believe a 4.77 paired with it would be a detriment.

I know the car and driver. I haven't driven it nor scrutinized it closely it but I would vouch for his honesty. He has another Super that he is keeping. Who needs a Sat and Sun car? For you left coaster who think everything rusts out here... we drive our cars in less threatening weather than you probably do.
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I have this car on the register, yes a 115.09 Nuova 1300 Super. Does belong to a BB regular, or at least was at one point.
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Same Super from Denver CL that was listed earlier on 7/22. I hoped to see it when I F12'ed through Denver, but timing, and my desire to get home before I ran out of brakes, obviated it.
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I don't think it would make any difference. The red lines are the same. I don't think a 2L sounds any different at 4000 RPM than a 1300. My 1.3 purrs at 80 MPH. The only advantage to the 2L is acceleration and torque to get to 4000 and above. I don't believe a 4.77 paired with it would be a detriment.
I've experienced a 2L conversion on my Super with the original diff and a 4.10. Big difference in feel. With the original ratio I ran out of 1st gear very quickly, and the car felt frantic at speed. With the axle matched to the engine, the gears are well spaced and high speed cruising is relatively calm. It's not the red line that matters but the final ratio with the combination of transmission and axle gearing. I would not go back.

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I've experienced a 2L conversion on my Super with the original diff and a 4.11. Big difference in feel. With the original ratio I ran out of 1st gear very quickly, and the car felt frantic at speed. With the axle matched to the engine, the gears are well spaced and high speed cruising is relatively calm. It's not the red line that matters but the final ratio with the combination of transmission and axle gearing. I would not go back.
A 4.10 will make any engine size less strained. It all depends on your driving pleasure. A racer would never use a 4.10 or 11. I find 1st gear an excuse to get moving and into 2nd as quickly as I can, not drag racing. Obviously, not in your case. In any case the car listed would be very happy in the hands of who ever buys it and any difference in the rear end will be a matter of getting used to, in my opinion. There are many many ratios that can make the whole experience different if you want one wants to start playing around with gear box ratios.
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My son is going thru some of this with the Formula SAE car, called the cascades, it plots the traction force vs speed for each gear. Need the torque curve to plot the set of curves and overall gear ratio for ea gear.
It seems to me this is the way to match the gear spacing to the engine characteristics.
Personally I'd like to see what this looks like for my car, 1600 Duetto engine with a 5.12.

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It's a hill climber and stump puller George . . . First across the crosswalk too!!

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As usual, we have wandered off the mark on the blue car for sale. Since we don't know if the rear end has been swapped out without asking the seller, a buyer who cares should probably investigate the answer to that question. What fits the fellow in Texas might not matter to a buyer when all is said and done.

BTW, I drive a '57 Giulietta Spider Veloce with a 5.12 for the last 30 years with a 5-speed... I've never missed the stock 4.10..It was delivered that way by special order and works just fine. It's really a matter of accepting the pluses and the minuses.
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My dear friend from Mass. I was referring to George's car. He and I have had this conversation before. No clue what the Nuova has.Happy you like your cars' setups.

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My dear friend from Mass. I was referring to George's car. He and I have had this conversation before. No clue what the Nuova has.Happy you like your cars' setups.
My comment wasn't directed at you just that we ALL have gotten off course including miao.
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My apologies...just rambling.

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