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I posted this 11 months ago and I don't see much has changed.
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Every so often I peruse the NW Euro sites for Giulia sales and market comparisons. Looked at just one site, AutoScout24 in NL. Note that there are several other sites but this is usually one of the more prolific. And this is only NL.

Findings:

Price range: Euro 8750 ($10,500) - 47,500 ($57,000), $ Exch at ~1.2
Average price: Euro 20,000 ($24000)
39 total
28 - 1300's - 70%, below the average price
7 - 1600's - most (5) above average
2 - 2L's - both above average
2 - 2L's race/rally prepped - both above average, one top
8 - Nuovas - most (5) below average
2 - Ser. 1's 1600 [65-67](Euro 22k & 30k, $26k & $36k)


Prices have trended up considerably and there are fewer Ser. 1 cars. The average sweet spot used to be around Euro 13,000, now 20,000.

Also noted 1 SS, 4 Sprint Coupes and 5 Giulia spiders.
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post #1532 of 1728 (permalink) Old 10-21-2018, 08:59 PM
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The 73 1.3 was on autoscout24 for $13k euro about four to five months ago.. .

Reminds me of the tulip bulbs craze. A couple of centuries ago the crafty Dutch convinced naive Americans that the world was running out of tulip bulbs. They sold us shiploads of tulip bulbs at vastly inflated prices until somebody finally realized that they could grow them as fast or faster than American's could buy them.

The last time I looked, the European sites had dozens of very nice looking Ti's and Supers available all across Europe. We should remember that there were over 500k produced overall so the market, while not flooded with cars, is still being kept fairly reasonable due to supply and demand. Still, If someone wants to pay me $55k US for my Super we should talk.
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post #1533 of 1728 (permalink) Old 10-22-2018, 07:40 AM
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I know there is one out there with my name on it, somewhere over the rainbow.

The passenger seat is 15 miles an hour faster than the drivers seat.

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74 GTV restored daily driver
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the ones that got away:
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Was it me, I'd look at this car; if good offer them $20K out the door. If you want more power, drop in a 1750. I had a similar 67 1300 TI with the earlier type dash and red seats. Lovely cars.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Giulia...53.m1438.l2649

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Or for a late 1600 Super, this car at FJ, which seems very fair, for a retailer.

1971 Alfa Romeo Giulia Super 1600

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I posted this 11 months ago and I don't see much has changed.
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Every so often I peruse the NW Euro sites for Giulia sales and market comparisons. Looked at just one site, AutoScout24 in NL. Note that there are several other sites but this is usually one of the more prolific. And this is only NL.

Findings:

Price range: Euro 8750 ($10,500) - 47,500 ($57,000), $ Exch at ~1.2
Average price: Euro 20,000 ($24000)
39 total
28 - 1300's - 70%, below the average price
7 - 1600's - most (5) above average
2 - 2L's - both above average
2 - 2L's race/rally prepped - both above average, one top
8 - Nuovas - most (5) below average
2 - Ser. 1's 1600 [65-67](Euro 22k & 30k, $26k & $36k)


Prices have trended up considerably and there are fewer Ser. 1 cars. The average sweet spot used to be around Euro 13,000, now 20,000.

Also noted 1 SS, 4 Sprint Coupes and 5 Giulia spiders.
Wow, thanks for the assessment. My morning routine has been to roll through mobile.it, autoscout.it, and subito.it. See my thread https://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/sed...xt-year-3.html

Through some local contacts here in Milan, I have come across a 1970 TI that someone has attempted to turn into a Ti Super. Body seems good, interior OK, but has a worked 2 liter swap (dellortos, forged pistons). I'm interested if the price is right. Its totally not-original (super gauges in TI dashboard, early super grille). Odd, rare light blue color - Aqua di Fonte. From what I could access, the body looked reasonably sound (actually surprisingly sound).

Could be good foundation for "fast road car". Not worth restoring - but might be good to have fun with. Going to drive it next week, couldn't drive it since it was blocked in the back of garage. Owner just texted me that its outside, ready to drive. Going to try and get compression/leakdown test... if motor is strong, it might be good deal.

1973 Giulia Super 1.3 - Blu Olandese - 1750 Nord
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I wouldn't worry to much about a TI that's not all that original. Except for the very early cars, there was tons of TIs and Supers produced---so many (500k plus) that I don't think they'll ever be considered as rare as the GTVs and Spiders. Lots of TIs have been made to look like Supers w/ headlights, hood spears, instruments, etc. If tastefully carried out, I don't think that's bad thing at all. I'm a firm believer in "period modifications" so slipping a fast 2 liter into a Ti or Super just makes for an overall better drive. Keep us posted.

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Here's the detailed tally with details on all cars. I do not follow the market in Italy because for me the shipping and reg are a hassle, and there are very few FS in Spain or France.
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Does anyone recall the red and white sedan that was up on the Portland, OR craigslist a few months back? It was a bit of a project but seemed complete. Iím pinching myself for not trying to give it a new home, and I wonder if itís still out there

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The project grey Super from SF CL in Walnut Creek sold. Anyone here buy it?
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I wouldn't worry to much about a TI that's not all that original. Except for the very early cars, there was tons of TIs and Supers produced---so many (500k plus) that I don't think they'll ever be considered as rare as the GTVs and Spiders. Lots of TIs have been made to look like Supers w/ headlights, hood spears, instruments, etc. If tastefully carried out, I don't think that's bad thing at all. I'm a firm believer in "period modifications" so slipping a fast 2 liter into a Ti or Super just makes for an overall better drive. Keep us posted.
Ok, here's an update about that 71 TI. Saw it yesterday, went for a drive. It is seriously fast! Has a 2 liter swap. However something is up with the car and I need advice. It says its a 1971 but:

1. It has floor mounted pedals
2. air intake at base of windscreen is from series 1
3. grille is fake Super TI
4. Dash appears to be frankenstein of a Super and a Nuova Super
5. VIN AR+2237***
6. engine looks like AR01623+056037

How the heck can you have a 1971 chassis with low pedals? I'm worried that the car is a salvage or some sort of reconstruction. All of the other stuff, I can handle (no rust, fast motor).
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It was possibly built late 70 or early 71.
I had a 70 coupe with standing pedals, and a 72 registered Coupe with standing pedals too.
No big deal, I like the standing pedals better anyway.
Not sure of the exact date LHD got the hanging pedals though

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I believe hanging pedals came in May 1970.
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Relative to the GTVs and Spiders, the TIs and Supers went through a long period in Europe when they were just cheap cars. Finding good cars for 1k euro or less was pretty easy. During that time and later Tis and Supers parts were commonly mixed and matched. If done properly that's not a huge problem for reasons I've discussed. Bruce/Alfanuts bought just such a 'bitsa (2 liter w/ 4.30 rear end, Super headlights, hood spear, etc.) that was beautifully reconstructed by a genuine Alfa enthusiast. This car looks like a survivor from that time. If you're truly interested, take the car to a good body shop, put it on a lift and have an expert see if it's a poorly repaired wreck.

Looks like you're having a good time with your search. Fortunately, you are in the heart of Alfa country. The more you drill down, the more interesting cars will turn up. To reiterate: buy the best car you can find.

Jim . . . '72 Super 1300, '70, 1750GTV, 2nd series,
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That was also true in the US. I bought a TI for $400 (1977), Super for $800 (1978), TI for $400 (1985), TI for $1500 (crazy money!) in 1997.

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