But, the issue is, it seems to me, that the supply of project Supers is in short supply and this one is still in a guy's driveway, quite possibly an original US import model in the state where it was first sold. Not so easy to find, especially if you live in a place where people didn't know what an Alfa was in 1967.
I agree, entirely, Jon. My comments were intended to be more generic than specific. Looking at the car, I think someone with knowledge of old Alfas, mechanical skills, and a good workshop could---if everything falls into place when it's supposed to---complete that car for well under the $20k-to-complete estimate.
I don't think one can make a living restoring and selling [nonvintage] Alfas on the open market. You can make a living restoring them if someone's paying you by the hour and doesn't care about the final cost.
This car is attractive because it appears to whole, complete, decent looking paint, and needs mothering, which everyone seems to jump at. But is it economically smarter than buying one done? Probably not. But except at my house, there aren't a lot of Supers to choose from! So one has to pick from what's available.
I agree Andrew, unless held for great lengths of time. I bought a few for import that needed only minor work and fettling and made very very little net after the work, TTL S&H. I'd have been better off greeting people at WalMart. NO more of that. I'd rather work on mine.
I fix and sell a fair number of project cars (Alfas and otherwise), but it's hobby gone wrong, not something I need to do to pay the rent; I have a real job. If I come out ahead on my out-of-pocket, I'm happy. If I get anything at all for my labor, time for a party. I just took on a 66 Karmann Ghia, which will put my method to the test.
I fix and sell a fair number of project cars (Alfas and otherwise), but it's hobby gone wrong=
Well, you're sure preachin' to choir (at least this one-person version) with this, Andrew. I paid well above market for my Super simply because it satisfied my criteria for finding and then buying the best car I could find. While I could argue that paying above market value for a car isn't what it's "worth", I can say with certainty that it was sure worth it to me. It was exactly what I was looking for, I could afford the price, and so I bought it. I really have no idea---intentionally so---how much I actually have spent changing wheels, building a performance 2 liter, installing a close-ratio gearbox, different seats, etc., etc. because this is all about enjoyment and not business. Is it a "hobby gone wrong"? Probably. But the "wrongness" sure is fun . . . and it's been this much fun for a major part of my life.
I'm in that crowd. I'm wondering if this one is straight and what parts are missing. What is involved with the brake servo and I'm guessing it is standing pedals and what it takes to put a two liter in it?
I emailed the seller. Late 1966 car, 32xxxx VIN, been in the Bay Area since new. He's had it decades, hasn't gotten to it, doesn't know the condition of anything. If I was in the market for a Super I'd be interested, but complete projects, as I said, not really my thing now. The engine looks like a 2000, with the spin-on filter.
Brake booster you can buy new, or Classic Alfa has rebuild kits for approx $120. They aren't hard to do.
I got a response and sent some questions. We'll see. It looks like a good project, at least worth further investigation. My biggest worry is aside from being straight is the missing parts that will be really hard to find.
On the project Super, if it's still around next week I'll go look at it. I have a fair amount of trim and whatnot, and the car comes with literally boxes and boxes of stuff, not all of it strictly for that car (I saw a Spica manifold).
In other news, the classic seller with the Giulietta TI in Boise has his $50K Super back on ebay.
Yeah that Super being offered by Modern Classics looks beautiful but he originally had it listed for $55K. He apparently imports many of the cars he sells so I want him to be successful, but prices seem high to me.
Agree re prices, but he is a retailer, so will always be higher. He just sold a grey Giulietta on BaT, it met its reserve at what seemed to me a reasonable price.
$50K is pretty above market for a Super now, and $40K for a Giulietta sedan is more than double what most folks would pay.
I get that a lot
I got the Berlina with the fresh hot rod motor and gearbox running today so I probably don't need a Super anyway. I did have a problem with the old set up I've never had before, everything was so dry under the hood all the bare metal started getting surface rust so I zinc plated everything from the cam cover bolts to the AC stud bushings, injectors, lines, brackets, heater fitting, and a bunch of other little stuff.
I am on the mailing list for Modern Classic Autos outside of Boise, and just received notice that they are about to list a 1973 Giulia Super 1.3 in beige cava for $35,000. It's still listed as "coming soon" on their website, but it has 68,000 km, looks pretty good in the few photos included, and serviced at Santo's. They also still have the 1970 Giulia Super for sale for $55,000. Prices seem high to me although it is hard to say without an in-person inspection, and I do appreciate that they are importing these to the US.
The 73 1.3 was on autoscout24 for $13k euro about four to five months ago...