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post #121 of 289 (permalink) Old 01-27-2017, 06:30 PM Thread Starter
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I've had a look at some tyre wear sites on the internet and also taken the tyres to Bridgestone, and I've definitely cut excessive heal and toe wear. So lack of tyre rotation and possibly too much toe out has caused this. Will triple check rear shocks too.

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And I've now double checked the left rear stub axle straightness and can confirm dead straight. The wheel rim with the questionable tyre on it has 15" run out, so is not dead straight but that is only 0.381mm's so not worth worrying about.

So all is good, time for a wheel alignment and new real tyres.
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Any new info on this?

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post #124 of 289 (permalink) Old 02-11-2017, 01:04 AM Thread Starter
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Any new info on this?
Funny you should ask .

The car is booked in next Saturday for 2 new tyres (Bridgestones again as after a couple of phone calls competitively priced) and a 4 wheel wheel alignment, and I will be putting in new oil/filter. So yep she will then be back in normal action.

I've been busy and had other things to spend our money on ... such as our other car (very second hand Honda Odyssey) which decided to have a tantrum , and on top of that failed it's WOF (warrant of fitness). $270 later an electrician had replaced the VSS (vehicle speed sensor) and a small amount of the wiring loom that had melted due to the VSS shorting internally. And yes I've managed to get it through the WOF check so the work horse is road legal again

I will be very interested to see the result of the wheel alignment and if anything needs to be adjusted, but from now on as part of the engine service, I will be rotating tyres!
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post #125 of 289 (permalink) Old 02-17-2017, 02:18 PM Thread Starter
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Frustration ensures ... sigh.

So turn up at 9am for my 2 new tyres and wheel alignment check, and well we have had very wet weather over the last couple of days and their workshop is flooded. They have been on to Health & Safety and cannot work until they and an electrician give it the "all clear".

BUT on top of that after talking to their wheel alignment dude, I'm not sure they have the capability I am after as he didn't think that he could confirm if the car was grabbing or not by doing a 4 wheel wheel alignment. This makes no sense to me as doing all 4 wheels at the same time should tell you this ... well it did over 20 years ago when I had my race cars setup. He also said that he thought the wheel was rubbing something which makes no sense as the wear would be even and also very easily noticeable ... so confidence in his ability dropped. I could accept a dud shock though ...

So I might take this set back to try another place. I have found a company that considers themselves to be chassis and steering specialists that do wheel alignments that sound more like I am after. I guess I was/am expecting too much from a tyre seller ...

Why does it matter so much? Well if she is grabbing and therefore the supposedly minor rear ender accident it had before my ownship was not so minor; I will be moving the car on and looking for another. I honestly do not think there is anything wrong with the chassis though but as the tyre wear is weird, I'm checking.
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post #126 of 289 (permalink) Old 02-17-2017, 02:39 PM
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Good luck with it Pete. We are all waiting with baited breath to hear the outcome.

Current Alfas
2010 159 ti 1750 TBI sedan (red).
2004 GT 3.2 V6 (Stromboli Grey).
2008 159 TI Sportwagon 2.4 JTDM (Stromboli Grey).
1987 75 3 litre (red). My first 75 and now my son's.
2000 156 2 litre Twin Spark, ( Cosmos Blu metallic), my daughter's car.
2000 156 Monza Twin Spark, (Cosmos Blue metallic), sonís girlfiendís car.
1999 GTV 3 litre 24 valve V6, metallic black, (sonís new car).

Non Alfa
1988 Range Rover Classic Highline 3.9 V8

Past Alfas
1989 75 3 litre, written off by runaway van.
1990 75 3 litre Potenziata (black), now sold & living in Newcastle NSW.
1990 75 3 litre Potenziata (grey, sadly deceased due to fire).
1982 GTV 2 litre, red, (daughter's first Alfa)
2 x 1992 164s, (1 red, 1 grey).
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Well yesterday I managed to finish work early so popped in on that steering and chassis specialist and the end result is the 156 is booked in for a wheel alignment next Tuesday. Their workshop was fill of classic cars and when I discussed crabbing and wheel alignments he said, absolutely we will be able to tell you if it is crabbing or not, ie. is the chassis straight down to a 1/10th of a mm.

This is what I am after and the fact that the workshop was fill of enthusiast cars makes me comfortable that they really do know what they are doing. He even asked me how I drove the car and if any special adjustments would be required as he sets up some MG's for the track, etc. ... boringly I said no, as per the book please

So then I thought, heck better sort those 2 tyres out ... down the road is a Tyre Master so in I went and yes the tyres that it is going to get are not a top brand but as Nigel Mansell once said they are black round rubber things. End result is I will come in cheaper than what Bridgestone were talking (who by the way have as yet not rung me back ... ) and most importantly answer the nagging question is my 156 really straight chassis wise.
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If the tyre guys can't tell whether the chassis is straight or not, find a well equipped body shop with a body rig. They will be able to check and even straighten any bend chassis member.
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post #129 of 289 (permalink) Old 02-20-2017, 11:14 PM Thread Starter
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If the tyre guys can't tell whether the chassis is straight or not, find a well equipped body shop with a body rig. They will be able to check and even straighten any bend chassis member.
Thanks Erik, I'm sure this place can actually do 4 wheel alignments properly so we will soon know.
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post #130 of 289 (permalink) Old 02-24-2017, 07:52 PM Thread Starter
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I've had a wonderful stroke of luck. This morning for no real reason than why not I tried some Jif on the rubber/glue residue left behind on the rear bumper from the rear skirt I removed ... and it came off!!!!! Now not easy and a lot of rubbing required but so happy

One side already done. Other side tomorrow.
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post #131 of 289 (permalink) Old 02-27-2017, 11:17 PM Thread Starter
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Drum roll ...

Okay this morning I drove the 156v6 to work with the dodgy tyre on the left front. The noise was shockingly loud.

Note to self; if I ever think a rear tyre is causing wheel bearing like noise, put it on the front and I will more clearly hear the noise.

So 2 new tyres have been put on and the wheels balanced as per normal. Noise has gone!

Then we drove 1 minute to the steering and chassis specialist and they performed a 4 wheel wheel alignment. I have the printed results and very happy to confirm that ALL measurements are within factory specs

The tyre guys thought that it was exaggerated heal and toe wear and to rotate the tyres more often and keep the pressures up. The wheel alignment guy also talked higher tyre pressures than I am used to for a road car. I used to run 34 psi, and I admit that on some of the trips to Auckland she likely ran with less pressure than that ... but the tyre guy set them all to 36 so 36 from now on will be used, and the wheel alignment guy was talking 38 to 40. Surely that is too high?

Anyway a good day and she was so lovely and quiet all the way home. Looking forward to racking up some serious miles on her
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I'm glad the car is good now. Do they think the tyre was dodgy as well as maybe not being rotated enough?

Current Alfas
2010 159 ti 1750 TBI sedan (red).
2004 GT 3.2 V6 (Stromboli Grey).
2008 159 TI Sportwagon 2.4 JTDM (Stromboli Grey).
1987 75 3 litre (red). My first 75 and now my son's.
2000 156 2 litre Twin Spark, ( Cosmos Blu metallic), my daughter's car.
2000 156 Monza Twin Spark, (Cosmos Blue metallic), sonís girlfiendís car.
1999 GTV 3 litre 24 valve V6, metallic black, (sonís new car).

Non Alfa
1988 Range Rover Classic Highline 3.9 V8

Past Alfas
1989 75 3 litre, written off by runaway van.
1990 75 3 litre Potenziata (black), now sold & living in Newcastle NSW.
1990 75 3 litre Potenziata (grey, sadly deceased due to fire).
1982 GTV 2 litre, red, (daughter's first Alfa)
2 x 1992 164s, (1 red, 1 grey).
2 x 1988 33s, (both red).
1985 GTV 2 litre, (white).
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I'm glad the car is good now. Do they think the tyre was dodgy as well as maybe not being rotated enough?
Good question. I did have a look inside it once it was off the rim and could not see anything. I wonder if it had been run way low on pressure once and this caused or started the issue?

I have to give a plug for Tyre Master in Greerton, Tauranga as to my surprise they put down the air gun and tightened the wheel bolts manually, and they were also fast and careful.
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I'm glad you got it all sorted and nothing serous was wrong. So now you can enjoy your lovely 156 again.
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Of course the tyre wear problem may relate to a bad shock. Time will answer this ...
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