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post #271 of 291 (permalink) Old 09-01-2019, 07:23 PM Thread Starter
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Pete, I suspect it might be a combination of worn bushes and so so tyres. i`ve had my twinspark for a while now and no high wear on any tyre - but perfect bushes and tyre pressures always correct (I run 37.5 psi all round) The V6 has fairly new tyres and I`ve been using her a bit lately and no signs of wear so far despite driven hard through bends but again she has been fitted with good quality tyres. Tyres are so important, they are your only contact with the road so tempting that it is I would never contemplate scrimping. It`s the old adage that you usually get what you pay for.
That is high tyre pressure. I think (?) 36psi is for high speed driving. I thought I was getting middle of the tyre wear so lower my pressures to 32 ... maybe that did the premature damage. I'll have to check my manual again

And yes I'm not running expensive tyres, so likely not helping. I suspect that cheap tyres obtain their grip by softer compounds ... what tyres do you guys run?
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post #272 of 291 (permalink) Old 09-01-2019, 10:21 PM
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I always run 36 or higher (for hwy driving)

I’ve tried many tyres over the years.. never felt comfy with anything to be honest, until I fitted Michelin PS4’s to the Giulietta. Amazing tyre; wet, dry, fast, city slow, dirt.. just amazing. I don’t think I will fit anything else again.

Drove Brisbane to Cairns and back last month, quickly, with a mixture of roads (fast, dirt, twisty hills). They still just feel like new, and are wearing better than the Conti CSC2/3/5 that I have tried in the past. Can’t recommend them more (expensive perhaps).

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Thanks. Looks like I've been running low for the last 5k ... stupid mistake!
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post #274 of 291 (permalink) Old 09-02-2019, 12:21 AM
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Incidently I got my tyre pressures straight out of the twinspark owner`s manual and use both cars on the open road mainly. The twinspark runs Bridgetone Turanza which I purchased, and the V6 Goodyear Optilife (sounds like a harder compound tyre) which the previous owner fitted. The year 2000 2 litre is a Lusso pack version with 205x 60 x 15`s whereas the `98 V6 Sport Pack runs the standard V6 205 x 55 x 16`s.

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2.2 bar = 32 psi
2.5 bar = 36 psi

My manual tyre pressure page:
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Okay I've just got a quote for the tyres you guys use and yeah a lot more expensive than what I put on last time, so I went too cheap, but other than wear was happy with them. As alfavirusnz said, you get what you pay for, but I also think I ran them low as you both run on the higher side based on "my" manual.

FYI - Michelin is $269 each. The place I rang didn't have the Bridgestones but said the Continental MC6 is equivalent and $209 each, but they also have a Falcon @ $199.

Think I'll also pay a visit to a wrecker and grab top front suspension components. This will give me some spares to play with
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Pete, I bought my Bridgestones direct from a Bridgestone store. Don`t assume that the multi brand "independents" are cheaper. I also turn up at the store when they are not super busy and negotiate a price but have done my research re normal retail, tyre choice suitable for the car and my driving style so the wool can`t be pulled over my eyes. Towards the end of the month (inside the last week) is also a good time if you are able to manage timing as store managers are under pressure to achieve numbers be it achieve target or better last months figures. Bridgestone and Beaurepairs are the best ones to negotiate with as they are direct representatives of the manufacturers and thus have more room to move as there is much greater emphasis on numbers sold and market share.
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I’m currently running 35/34 on my GT 3.2 V6, which seems OK. The sticker on the door says 36/35 but I have KW V2 coilovers and it is a bit hard with those pressures. Some of my GT mates run 34 all round. Wear wise it is fine. We are running Pirelli Dragonsport tyres on the GT, 159 TBI ti and my daughter’s 156 Twin Spark and they are excellent. We got 55,000 km out of them on the diesel Sportwagon with the 19” wheels. They ride and handle beautifully and are competitively priced.

One thing I know for sure is never to put cheap Chinese tyres on a car. We had a set of almost brand new ones on our 75 that came with the 17” wheels we bought and they were lethal. I think they were called Hurricane, or something, I can’t quite remember. The car was sliding around on dry bitumen at very moderate speeds. Both of my brothers had some on their Range Rover Classics and had the same problem and they were even worse in the wet. One of them lost control in the hills at low speed on a damp surface and wrote the car off after hitting an oncoming vehicle. You have to wonder how many of the cars involved in head on crashes and running into trees are running Chinese rubbish. The ones we had would kill you for sure. They should be outlawed.

As a matter of interest, my brother and I are currently running Falken Wildpeak AT 215/75/16 tyres on our Range Rovers and they are super quiet, with excellent grip and handling. An Alfa Club friend got a still legal 55,000 km out of a set on his Pajero and bought another set because they were so good. I got mine on a four for the price of three deal, with free wheel alignment which worked out to about $185 each.

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2010 159 ti 1750 TBI sedan (red).
2004 GT 3.2 V6 (Stromboli Grey).
2008 159 TI Sportwagon 2.4 JTDM (Stromboli Grey).
1987 75 3 litre (red). My first 75 and now my son's.
2000 156 2 litre Twin Spark, ( Cosmos Blu metallic), my daughter's car.
2000 156 Monza Twin Spark, (Cosmos Blue metallic), sonís girlfiendís car.
1999 GTV 3 litre 24 valve V6, metallic black, (sonís new car).

Non Alfa
1988 Range Rover Classic Highline 3.9 V8

Past Alfas
1989 75 3 litre, written off by runaway van.
1990 75 3 litre Potenziata (black), now sold & living in Newcastle NSW.
1990 75 3 litre Potenziata (grey, sadly deceased due to fire).
1982 GTV 2 litre, red, (daughter's first Alfa)
2 x 1992 164s, (1 red, 1 grey).
2 x 1988 33s, (both red).
1985 GTV 2 litre, (white).
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One thing I know for sure is never to put cheap Chinese tyres on a car.
Well I have not had any grip issues with the Hifly Hf805215/45r17, and I have driven in shockingly heavy rain (NZ), in fact the 156 is my preferred wet weather car due to the variable speed intermittent wipers and because it is so sure footed.

But again my cornering limits are now tiny, but yes in the dry I can make the front loose grip if I do push it, but I've always blamed the FWD chassis for that. I've only really pushed her hard up some windy roads once and I thought the grip and chassis confidence was great, so good that when I got to the top I apologized to my son for going too hard on a public road, but he was happy

Anyway, this minor speed bump is all part of living with a great car. I can spend more on tyres this time.
Pete
ps: I've never driven a Range Rover, but always assumed that as the body is sitting on top of a tall building, poor handling and low grip levels would be the norm, so yeah you don't want poor tyres too.

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Classic Range Rovers handle quite well for a big solid axle vehicle, but obviously you don’t throw them around like a car. They understeer if pushed too hard. They are very stable at high speed and comfortable to ride in. They were a sensation when they first came out. There is a stretch of undulating, bumpy tarmac on the way to a little town in the south east where we have a folk festival, on which I can drive the the Rangie happily at 130kph, but can’t do that with the GT without losing the body kit and bottoming out the suspension.

Current Alfas
2010 159 ti 1750 TBI sedan (red).
2004 GT 3.2 V6 (Stromboli Grey).
2008 159 TI Sportwagon 2.4 JTDM (Stromboli Grey).
1987 75 3 litre (red). My first 75 and now my son's.
2000 156 2 litre Twin Spark, ( Cosmos Blu metallic), my daughter's car.
2000 156 Monza Twin Spark, (Cosmos Blue metallic), sonís girlfiendís car.
1999 GTV 3 litre 24 valve V6, metallic black, (sonís new car).

Non Alfa
1988 Range Rover Classic Highline 3.9 V8

Past Alfas
1989 75 3 litre, written off by runaway van.
1990 75 3 litre Potenziata (black), now sold & living in Newcastle NSW.
1990 75 3 litre Potenziata (grey, sadly deceased due to fire).
1982 GTV 2 litre, red, (daughter's first Alfa)
2 x 1992 164s, (1 red, 1 grey).
2 x 1988 33s, (both red).
1985 GTV 2 litre, (white).
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Pete have you checked the rear lateral arm bushes. They also wear. Jack the rear and try moving the wheel at 9 and three. There should be no play. Have seen bearing failures as well.

Front arms wear quickly and are checked every service.

A good wheel alignment operator can set your car up to your needs. Factory specs are not ideal.
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Pete have you checked the rear lateral arm bushes. They also wear. Jack the rear and try moving the wheel at 9 and three. There should be no play.
I did not feel any play when I recently rotated the tyres, but will double check
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Front arms wear quickly and are checked every service.
Yes, and I do have play on left front, and suspect that this is where my "little" problem is, i.e. the front top inner bushes are worn, causing extra negative camber on the front resulting in increased inner tyre wear. On top of that I've reduced their pressures to 32 psi, which appears to have been a mistake. The tyres that are now needing replacement have just come off the front, but they are also older than the other pair
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A good wheel alignment operator can set your car up to your needs. Factory specs are not ideal.
I'm happy to have a little play here and "tone her down" a bit
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Okay, as I have not been working on the GTV, I've put a bit of thought into the 156's tyre premature wearing issue.

  • I have checked all REAR bushes I can see and all appear good, and there is no play.
  • I have measured the REAR negative camber using a T square, the garage floor and some maths and I get ~2 degrees negative camber. This does not match the last wheel alignment recorded settings of 1.3 negative. So either my measuring/maths is wrong or for some reason we have more negative camber now ??
  • I have removed the top bolt of the REAR strut to wheel hub to see what the size is, so I can order the correct eccentric bolt, so I can tune the camber to what I prefer (and also the next owner can return it to factory specs, if so desired, by a simple adjustment). And of course 99% of shops/sites want me to specify the car so they can provide a correct replacement, but that is not the case here, I'm modifying. So never mind, I will keep the bolt and make adjustment plates that can be installed in 4 different orientations to get 4 different camber settings, with one being as it is now.
  • To make the REAR camber adjustable, I need to do a small amount of welding on the struts, so they will be removed to do this professionally, repaint, etc. ......... and while there I will check the top strut bush as I am now wondering if these have failed ???

I want to do this before the front, because I want to be able to use the car for long trips without wearing out my brand new tyres. Then the front (yes I have already designed how I can make the camber adjustable at that end too) and then the aircon (summer is coming, and wife has told me to get it sorted) ... and she will be better than perfect again.
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Pete, I think you are going to unnecessary trouble and expense. Ive just done the top arms and anti roll bar links on my V6 156 (`98 model) to cure the knock I had occasionally - all up $260 for 2 top arms and two links. I have my own measuring equiptment and is within manufacturers spec which I checked after you raised the question. I have at this stage no abnormal wear on the front (or rear tyres) but as I said tyres are set at 37.5 psi and not Chinese el cheapo tyres either. I think you need to recheck measurements but if still out despite there appearing to be no play replace those top arms.

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Pete, I think you are going to unnecessary trouble and expense. Ive just done the top arms and anti roll bar links on my V6 156 (`98 model) to cure the knock I had occasionally - all up $260 for 2 top arms and two links. I have my own measuring equiptment and is within manufacturers spec which I checked after you raised the question. I have at this stage no abnormal wear on the front (or rear tyres) but as I said tyres are set at 37.5 psi and not Chinese el cheapo tyres either. I think you need to recheck measurements but if still out despite there appearing to be no play replace those top arms.
Note I'm only working on the rear suspension at the moment. I don't believe there are top arms?. I've edited my previous post to include the word REAR, which I had missed ... apologies

But yes I will replace the front top arms, or at least the bushes (and your $260 is good value. No problem there). And yes my new rear tyres are Goodyears
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