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Matt D 04-27-2018 05:55 AM

Thanks to the OP - I found this thread really enlightening. I'd never looked below the surface at Vintage Customs' reputation. I believe your pain has saved plenty of others from a similarly nasty experience. There's no excuse and no way to make things right. Good luck going forward!

ossodiseppia 04-27-2018 06:52 AM

@cavilry you look like a nice kid (just saying because you're a wee bit younger than me) who certainly didn't deserve this kind of treatment. As other's have said, it's best to chaulk this up to experience and move on. If you take your car to Tinney's, make sure that you have an agreement with him, that Daron is footing the bill. Hopefully, real soon we will see posts of you enjoying your car.

cavilry 04-27-2018 08:28 AM

Thank you all for the kind words and encouragement. It seems this thread has more or less run it's course so I will try to bring it to a conclusion. At the end of the day I would say this about VC: Daron is a talented guy with a very talented crew underneath him. Jacob did AMAZING work on the interior and has always been a pleasure to work with. Ariel is doing what he can to keep himself from going crazy, all the while working hard for VC customers. Daron has quite evidently taken on more work than he can handle, and it shows in his attention to detail, communication, and timeliness (or lack there of.) If you have the money, time, and patience, I think VC is still a shop to consider. However, if you expect to stay on a timeline, within a budget, and have the work done to your satisfaction without having to constantly check in, this is not the shop for you. I am rooting for Daron, but they've got a lot of stuff to figure out before they run their business into the ground.

Indeed, I'm trying to look on the bright side. Despite confirmation (from running out of gas) that the fuel gauge is completely useless (always reads full) and the window sticking in the up position, I'm doing what I can to enjoy the car. I needed to get some traffic-free break-in in, so I cruised up highway 1 with my wife (and technically daughter) for our first cruise in the car. All-in-all, it was amazing. Can't wait to enjoy this car for decades to come.

See you all in other parts of the forum. My dream car is home...

https://i.imgur.com/AfyoGMb.jpg

Matt D 04-27-2018 08:54 AM

@cavilry - I'm glad the rawness of the experience is wearing off and you're getting to enjoy your beautiful GTV. If I'd been through and spent what you did I would not be so generous. I think you could've gotten the job done better, cheaper and faster elsewhere, and to me that says it all. Your car really is sweet, though.

180OUT 04-27-2018 08:56 AM

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"If you have the money, time, and patience, I think VC is still a shop to consider. However, if you expect to stay on a timeline, within a budget, and have the work done to your satisfaction without having to constantly check in, this is not the shop for you."

Finally, after years of to-ing and fro-ing and the expenditure of quite a lot of money, it appears that you finally have achieved a basic understanding of how the automobile restoration process works. Good for you. Nice car btw. I'm out of here.

VenturaAlfa 04-27-2018 09:54 AM

Car looks great and I like how the wife's top almost matches the car.

Now with regard to the current condition of the car remember the old saying: Don't sweat the small stuff and remember it's all small stuff.

Ventura Alfa

JJr 04-27-2018 01:32 PM

Wonderful news and a beautiful car. I have to say congrats, not for the car being home but the amazing addition you will be having soon. The car seat will fit in the back, please post some pics of the seat with beautiful driver to be in it.

Happy days ahead!! GL with everything.

Doraiba 04-29-2018 06:40 PM

What a nightmare. Frankly, I think you're too nice of a guy. I would have lost my **** on Daron at the 2-year-past-the-original-estimated timeline.

It's reassuring that my gut-feeling was right about Vintage Customs though. I've spoken with Daron over the phone numerous times and, although he sounds like a knowledgable guy, he came off very shady despite his rather joyous tone. I considered sending my project to VC before but this is one of a number of horror stories I've heard about that poorly-managed self-proclaimed Alfa Romeo "specialist" shop.

Also, I love how generally everyone likes to think these cars are somehow anymore complex in construction than any other comparable European coupe of the era. The Scalino is my favorite automobile, but Alfisti seem to really put these cars on a pedestal in that they insist only an Alfa Romeo "specialist" could properly restore one of these mass-produced sports cars. Call me naive, but I'm not buying it.

OP, glad to see you got your dream car back. I hope you, your beautiful wife, and your on-the-way-daughter have years of wonderful memories in that beautiful GTV. Cheers!

gprocket 04-29-2018 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Doraiba (Post 8186922)
... Alfisti seem to really put these cars on a pedestal in that they insist only an Alfa Romeo "specialist" could properly restore one of these mass-produced sports cars. Call me naive, but I'm not buying it...

You are right, it doesn't require an Alfa specialist to restore an Alfa but why would you take your Alfa to someone who isn't? The first time we replaced the rockers in a Spider (a pretty common practice) it took weeks - now it takes hours. I sure wouldn't want to pay someone to sit and ponder how to approach the job, let alone trust them to accurately estimate the price.

There are plenty of Alfa specialists around the world to choose from precisely because it is a production sports car...

Aggie57 04-29-2018 07:34 PM

Congratulations on a great looking car and more importantly the upcoming new family addition.

Patillack1961 04-30-2018 11:20 AM

Cavilry, you are one blessed guy. Beautiful wife, Beautiful car, child on the way, and not in prison for choking Darron unconscious. Your patience is an example of good behavior to us all. I hope and pray I'll never have to be tested as you were. Congrats on the excellent pass of the test.I hope you enjoy fiddling with your car as I do with mine. I pray Darron will make good on his promises. At this point I don't expect you'll be crushed if he doesn't though. His wife seems like a good avenue to results though. I'd keep her appraised of progress or its absence.God bless you.Serious.

Pat Braden 04-30-2018 06:42 PM

Vintage Customs: Customers Beware/Babys and Alfas
 
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Originally Posted by JJr (Post 8183530)
Wonderful news and a beautiful car. I have to stay congrats, not for the car being home but the amazing addition you will be having soon. The car seat will fit in the back, please post some pics of the seat with beautiful driver to be in it.

Happy days ahead!! GL with everything.

A word to the wise ... yes, it is true that the car seat will fit in the backseat, but your wife may soon tire of how difficult it is to deal with strollers, car seats, diaper bags, and the other paraphernalia that babies require with a GTV; and then there's cleaning up baby burps and drippy bottles off of the new upholstery.

I've been fortunate over my child-rearing years to have an assortment of Alfas to drive. I found the Berlina and the Alfetta sedan to be the easiest, most comfortable, and most pleasant.

The car seat will also fit in the back seat of a spider, but it does require making the proper shoulder harness and lap straps to hold the car seats in legally and properly.

The GTV-6 has it's own story and the problem a stroller caused, which could have turned out much worse than it did.

Congratulations on getting your car back; I love the color; and congratulations on your new addition!

ChiapC 07-05-2018 04:46 PM

Cavilry, thank you for sharing.

Where was this thread 3 years ago??

Papajam, please don't close this thread. There are another 60 of us with similar issues who may add to the warning to our fellow Alfisti.

This isn't a one off experience. Mine's not even painted yet... and he said he was astounded and amazed at the condition of the car after it was blasted.

My patience is getting the better of me.

ossodiseppia 07-05-2018 06:06 PM

Time for you to get your car out of that shop.

John533i 07-05-2018 10:20 PM

If you read Classic Motorsports Magazine, this is a common complaint that people have when they choose a shop to have work done. It happened to me, also- a shop called Veloce Motorsports took me for an $18000 ride, and I didn't even have it painted. They did a lot of good work, but I was feeling let down after he dropped the car off. The new windshield gasket leaked when I washed the car, they had it detailed for me and the idiot burned the paint off the trunk and sides of the car in places, and he used a cheap head gasket that leaked compression into the coolant after 2 days. He did a lot of good solid work also, but really botched some other basic stuff.

Oh, and he had the car 8 months. Veloce Motorsports went out of business shortly after, and Darin from VC bought his inventory and tools. Small world.


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