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alfa63 09-21-2004 05:18 PM

Ferrari service prices
While I'm a wanna be Ferrari owner, the prices for Ferrari service are quite unbelievable! :eek: :eek: (See post #26 within the link.) Of course, the models I like - 400i or Dino - who knows what I'd have to cough up.

Anybody seen that tree that grows money?

Paradiso 09-21-2004 05:58 PM

As the saying goes, "If you have to ask, you can't afford it"

Alfaholicism has saved me from Ferrari madness.

Gibbo 09-22-2004 05:22 AM

My son (12), God bless him, has promised to buy me a Ferrari when he grows up. Having read this :eek: I hope he doesn't :D . Monti costs me enough as it is :)

BigSwede 09-22-2004 07:17 AM

Just don't get a mid-engined car... ;)

dave_fonz_164 09-22-2004 08:21 PM

crap, never thought it would be so much

then again, how many ferrari's acutally cross the 30000mile mark??

Timo 09-22-2004 10:08 PM

Big Swede is right, just don't buy a mid engine car...last year after the Concorso Italiano, at a mixed drink party (by the way I was the only lowly Alfa owner in attendance he, he) I learned that it cost my friend's uncle $5K just to "tune up" his '87 348 quatrovalvove! A valve adjustment requires the engine be dropped down and pulled out for access.

A local independent Ferrari/Italian car repair shop told me that $5K is cheap and it will typically cost $8K to do the job right!! I quickly concluded this is perhaps why it seems that so many Ferrari cars have under 100K miles on the clock and this is why I will probably never own one and simply admire them from afar.

Mr. C. 09-24-2004 05:25 PM

The services discussed involve a lot of work and the parts reguired are VERY expensive. Parts houses just don't do a large amount of business but are expected to carry most stuff in inventory so the prices must be high. The sad thing is that there seems to be a trend now where the customers think they are better at pricing service then the shops are. Lots of bidding requested and lots of playing the shops off against one another. It is all taking its toll on quality. Mr Chinetti would have had no part of any of it.

italcarguy 09-28-2004 08:14 AM

One thing you must also look at is the shop. For example....if you go to an exclusive Ferrari shop, chances are the prices are going to be higher than if you were to bring your Ferrari into a shop that specializes in all Italian cars.

jimcheney 09-28-2004 11:48 AM

I'd rather buy 8k in tools and learn to do the job myself.

claykilla 11-29-2004 01:02 PM

The tune-up Timo speaks of is due every 15,000 miles. New timing belts are also required at that time to prevent accidental breakage of same before next service is required. If they do give out before the next service, it's almost the same cost as the service itself to replace them. :eek:

dretceterini 11-29-2004 04:50 PM

If you can afford $250,000 for a new Ferrari, than you can afford the service..

alfajim 11-29-2004 10:17 PM

Having worked on Ferrari's for the past 25 years I sure see alot of bad information 5k is not a simple tune up. If people maintained their Alfa's like ferrari's are they would be spending much more on them.
From Ferrari chat

(All prices are approximations; prices include appropriate parts and labor)

*15,000 mile (MINOR) Service for 308's, 328's, Mondial 3.2's, & QV's = $1195.00
(348's and Mondial t's are $1495.00 & F355's are $1995.00 due to parts cost and added labor)

{Documentation of every service comes complete with full write-up, pictures, and receipts for your records}

-Replace Spark Plugs (NGK or Bosch)
-Change Oil and install new Filter
-Replace Air Filter
-Change Transaxle Gear Fluid
-Replace Fuel Filter(s)
-Bleed Brake Lines
-Replace entire 3 gallons of Coolant
-Replace A/C Belt
-Replace Alternator Belt
-Replace Water Pump Belt
-Check Lambda System
-Check Fuel Injection System
-Check Air Conditioning System (possibly pressures)
-Inspect Distributor Caps / Rotors / Ignition Wires
-Inspect all Bulbs
-Inspect all Motors
-Pressurize Coolant System (check for leaks, replace hose(s) if necessary
-Check CV Boots
-Thorough Inspection of entire car

*30,000 mile (MAJOR) Service for 308's, 328's, Mondial 3.2's & QV's = $2995.00
(348's are $3995.00 and Mondial t's & F355's are $4995.00 due to parts cost, engine removal, etc.)

{Documentation of every Major Service comes complete with a full write-up, pictures, and all receipts for your records}

-Replace Spark Plugs (NGK or Bosch)
-Replace Timing Belts and Tensioner Bearings
-Replace Cam Seals and Housing O-Rings
-Replace Valve Cover Gaskets
-Replace Distributor Seals and Housing Gaskets
-Replace Distributor Cap Gaskets
-Replace Cam End Cover Gaskets
-Replace Air Filter
-Replace Fuel Filter(s)
-Replace A/C Belt
-Replace Alternator / Water Pump Belt
-Adjust Valves (where applicable)
-Torque Cam Journals
-Torque Heads (check only)
-Set Timing
-Bleed Brake Lines
-Change Oil and New Filter
-Change Transaxle Gear Fluid
-Replace Coolant
-Inspection/Service of Air Conditioning System (recharge "R12" extra on 308's/348's but "R134" is included on F355's)
-Inspect all Lines (fuel, oil, water) and replace if necessary (extra charge for parts)
-Check of Lambda System and Bosch Fuel Injection System (make adjustments if necessary)
-Clean Engine Compartment
-Pressurize Coolant System, check for leaks
-Inspect CV Boots
-Inspect Fuse Panel
-Inspect Tires / Adj. Tire pressure

{The items below are inspected and advised to the customer at no charge. If any item(s) require service, the customer will be advised of the cost.

-Inspect Water Pump
-Inspect all Seals (shift shaft, main, timing gear assy)
-Inspect Ignition Wires / Caps / Rotors
-Inspect all Bulbs, Lights, Electrical Motors
-Inspect Clutch Pedal play (adjustment setting if necessary)
-Inspect all Suspension Bushings / Connections
-Inspect all Exhaust Joints / Connections for leaks
-Inspect Brake Pads and Discs
-Inspect Wheel Bearings

*3 Year (Timing Belt Change Only) Timing Belt Service for 360 Modena's = $1595.00

{Documentation of every service comes complete with full write-up, pictures, and receipts for your records}

-Change Both Timing Belts
-Set Timing Belt Tension (reset tensioners)
-Check/Set Cam Timing
-Replace all Accessory Belts
-Inspect Idler Bearings
-Change Coolant

*30,000 mile (MAJOR) Service for 360 Modena's = $2995.00

{Documentation of every service comes complete with full write-up, pictures, and receipts for your records}

-Change Both Timing Belts
-Set Timing Belt Tension (reset tensioners)
-Check/Set Cam Timing
-Replace all Accessory Belts
-Replace Both Idler Bearings
-Change Oil and Filter (incl. cleaning screen)
-Change Gear Oil (incl. cleaning screen)
-Change Air Filters
-Change F1 Pump Fluid (if applicable)
-Change Brake Fluid
-Change Coolant
-Change Spark Plugs
-Check R134 Pressures
-Inspect Brakes
-Inspect Hoses
-Check Power Steering Fluid
-Check Alternator
-Inspect all Lines (fuel, oil, water) and replace if necessary (extra charge for parts)
-Check Oxygen Sensors
-Clean Engine Compartment
-Pressurize Coolant System, check for leaks
-Inspect CV Boots
-Inspect Fuse Panels
-Inspect Tires / Adj. Tire pressure
-Inspect Water Pump
-Inspect all Seals
-Inspect Ignition Wires
-Inspect all Bulbs, Lights, Electrical Motors
-Inspect all Suspension Bushings / Connections
-Inspect all Exhaust Joints / Connections for leaks

JudgeDredd 04-07-2005 09:35 AM

I want AlfaJim to adopt me just so I can maybe someday drive his cool Alfas. We're not worthy, we're not worthy. :) Thanks for clearing up the myth. I too have considered a Ferrari but think an Alfa will bring as much joy without the heartache.

D&SW 04-30-2005 04:58 AM

Ferrari of Greater Washington (DC) gives the following cost in their May 2005 newsletter:

Valve job for a 355 $ 18,000.

Replacing a head gasket on a V12 is 18,000 - 20,000.

Zinhead 04-30-2005 10:23 AM

I recently took a look at a cheap 308. Prior to looking at, I called Continental in Hinsdale and they quoted me a price of $5,000 to $6,000 for the 30K service, but said that they typically run between $8,000 to $9,000 because of other things they typically wrong with the cars. That was enough to swear me off Ferrari ownership, at least for a while.

AlfaNewB 04-30-2005 11:07 AM

if your looking to buy a ferair the most reliable ones are the mid 90's model and up.

i remember a guy who spent 5k on a tune up for his 84 mondial. and he always had problems with the car.

we also have to realise these are high performance cars, how many of them hit 50k or even 100k???

another thing is most of these shops know ferrari owners are loaded, and not to many mechanics will work on a ferarri.

Zinhead 04-30-2005 01:57 PM


Originally Posted by AlfaNewB
we also have to realise these are high performance cars, how many of them hit 50k or even 100k???

I think alot of these cars are subject to odomoter fraud. On the older models it is dairly easy to disconnect the speedo. Given the large price penalty on high mileage Ferrari's, there is a significant incentive to cheat on the mileage. Besides, there are just too many 7,000 mile Testarossa's floating around.

deltahf_2 04-30-2005 09:16 PM

I also looked at some older Ferraris several years ago and came to the conclusion that while I could afford to buy one, I couldn't afford to drive it due to the high maintenance costs. It is one thing to spend 25-30k on a car, and quite another to have to budget 5-10k a year for "routine" maintenance. Nice cars, but if I won the lottery I'd spend it on several nice driving 1960's Alfas and Lancias rather than blowing it on one Ferrari (or Maserati for that matter - have you ever tried priced mechanical/body/trim parts for those - ouch!) of the same period.

dave_fonz_164 05-01-2005 07:47 AM

the high price for the service intervals is due to dealers charging so much, people on ferrari chat have brought their ferraris to private specialist and the service cost half as much

papajam 05-01-2005 08:11 AM

Part of the higher pricing, at least it was in the 80s when I worked on Ferraris, is that many of the parts are proprietary. Meaning that they are available only thru Ferrari. Calls from an owner or non-Ferrari dealer would result in laughter from the OEM of the part forcing one to go to the dealer. As an example, when the price for an intake valve for every other car on the planet was in the $10 range, Ferrari valves were $80! EACH!! :eek: :eek:
Maybe they used the money to kick butt on the F1 circuit. :rolleyes:

deltahf_2 05-01-2005 07:52 PM


Originally Posted by papajam
Maybe they used the money to kick butt on the F1 circuit. :rolleyes:

Ferrari was generally languishing in the mid-rear of the F1 pack during the 80's, so if the money was going to the F1 program it certainly wasn't yielding any return.

mmarvi 05-02-2005 08:50 AM

Anyone check this from the New York Times?

Bill77 05-02-2005 10:55 AM

Ferrari ownership is truly a rich man's club. Few Ferrari owners work on their own cars -- they have people to write the checks.

Alfa ownership is far more accessible. Most parts are readily available through multiple sources, we get to enjoy designs by Pinifarina and Bertone, and our cars are simple enough that we can do our own work!

Does that mean that an Alfa is a poor man's Ferrari ??? Nah, just different. :)

series1gtv 07-07-2005 08:45 AM

I have noticed that some parts for ferrari are the same part as Alfa, Maserati, Fiat etc. Of course the same part is more expensive if the part is being sold as a ferrari part. Funny eh?


chasking 07-07-2005 09:21 AM

While generally Ferrari parts are more expensive, the prohibitive cost of Ferrari maintenance is mostly labor.

Ferrari owners, like no other group of auto enthusiasts I have ever encountered, consider their cars to be sacred objects, and the people who work on them the High Priest initiates into the Sacred Mystery. I'm a member of our local Ferrari Owners' Club chapter (even though my car is "only" a Maserati :p ) and I've gotten to know a number of Ferrari drivers, and while they are a great group of guys and gals, they have a different outlook: awe (perhaps justified) but also fear of what's under the hood. At the same time, I think a fair number of Alfisti own Alfas because they like to tinker with cars; there are lots of Ferrari owners with no particular interest in that hobby.

I think this contributes to an general unwillingness to tinker. Without doubt, the cost of ruining a Ferrari motor is substantial, but from what I've read it sounds like the motors (and other parts, for that matter) are actually pretty robust---they are just more highly tuned than most others, requiring more frequent maintenance checks to keep things running smoothly. With a few notable exceptions, most Ferrari horror stories are the result of neglect, not intrinsic flaws.

I get the impression that there are a LOT of people on this board who would not think twice about pulling a head or dropping a transaxle on their cars. And, frankly, doing most of your own maintenance is one of the things that makes owning an older obscure car at least sort of economically reasonable. I think the number of Ferrari owners who take that approach is fewer by at least an order of magnitude.

I was seriously planning on getting a Ferrari, until we decided to buy a house, and I did a lot of research into what to expect. I think that most V8 Ferraris up through the 328 could be fairly reasonable to own. The 2+2 models (308GT4 and Mondials) are particular bargains. They will never be as cheap to own as an Alfa Spider, but a decent one (i.e., one that doesn't need a bunch of past neglect rectified) should not actually be that bad, IF you can do your own maintenance. (As someone said above, you can save a lot by taking the car to a general Italian car mechanic instead of the Ferrari dealer, but the 30K major service will never be cheap if you pay someone else to do it.)

SamW 07-07-2005 10:45 AM

There is a guy in my town who has a 308 I meet through the local Italian Car Day, he claimed not to be much of a mechanic, but worked on his own car. He invited me over one evening while he had the car apart working on it, and all I can say is that it was a work of art. Yes, it is not the easiest car to work on, more time consuming than difficult. He had dropped both gas tanks to do a lot of work on the car, but to see the tube frame and the engine just sitting there, it was amazing. I am not sure how long it took him to get to that point, but changing the timing belts would have been easier on the 308 than on my GTV6. He said there was a group of Ferrari owners that did work on their cars, had suppliers that were reasonably priced, and lots of tricks on how to do stuff. Just seeing the back of the car half taken apart made me want a 308 more than seeing one together. If you can't work on it yourself, I am sure it would be expensive, and I am sure the cost of parts would be much higher than I am used to with the Alfa, and would kill the resale value of the car, but I would not be affraid to buy one and work on it myself, don't think it would be my everyday driver, but I would enjoy getting my hands dirty.

BigSwede 07-07-2005 03:35 PM

aw come on... A Ferrari with a transverse engine? :P


plasmid 07-15-2005 04:19 PM


Originally Posted by alfa63
While I'm a wanna be Ferrari owner, the prices for Ferrari service are quite unbelievable! :eek: :eek: (See post #26 within the link.) Of course, the models I like - 400i or Dino - who knows what I'd have to cough up.

have an alfa spider 91 and 79 ferrari gt4 in the .us
79 alfetta gtv in europe.

thus far i have spent about 2k in maintenance on each alfa and 3k on the ferrari. approx 15k miles in 3 years on the spider and ferrari and 10k in 1 year on the alfetta.

overall, i am happier with the quality of parts and service / support for the ferrari.

in conclusion, don't believe the hype. of course, if a major problem arises you will pay more for a ferrari, but not so much more (for insurance i pay less on the ferrari than the spider). secondly, for around town driving an alfa is better, and frankly, unless you are into modern cars, many of the classic alfas are more interesting to drive than a lot of ferrari's

D&SW 07-15-2005 04:32 PM

of course there's the question of how variable are Ferrari service prices.

Is any % of the pricing of Ferrari service attributable to the fact that most F dealers are within major Metropolitan areas where auto dealer operating costs and salaries are generally higher?

I guess I'd like to know the smallest, non-major metropolitan area that has a Ferrari dealer and compare major service prices with the F dealer in Washington DC, NYC SF etc.

Tillman 07-25-2005 07:02 AM

(out of lurk mode)

The independent that I take my 328 to here in Dallas has recently raised their rates to $91/hr (+ parts, +10% "supplies" fee) and that's a bit high for a poor boy like me. There's a cheaper (and just as good) guy located on the outskirts of the area, but he's booked way out.

So, I do a lot of the maintenance on it myself, figuring that if I ever really screw up I can have it towed to the shop :D

The previous poster is right about the underlying cultures, though. Alfa, Fiat people tend to tear into their cars. Pantera folk are flat-out hotrod maniacs. Ferrari owners tend not to be like that.

One element that plays into that is the lack of information about the cars. The factory has always played games to ensure their mechanics are the only ones with the full specs, tech updates, and guides. Fortunately the internet has helped bring together owners and the knowledgebase, especially on the older cars, is improving. It's also important to know what systems aren't Ferrari-specific. I just had my car tuned to pass emissions by a German car place, because they're very familiar with the CIS system. Very reasonable prices.

Anyway, long ramble over. RE: service prices, one can really cut the costs by finding the more generic equivalent parts: ie., bosch electricals and injection parts, FIAT parts, etc. Engine oil and gear oil can be changed at the house, so can brake pads. I spent several hours Saturday diagnosing a window problem and removing the lift mechanism. It should only end up costing a few hundred in parts, but if I had just dropped it off at the mechanic this repair would be over $1000 due to labor costs. The belt service will be due shortly. I've been quoted $3-4K for that -- or I can put the car on jack stands, take off the AC compressor and belt cover, and replace the belts and tensioners myself over the course of a week or so.

It all comes down to how much one really wants to drive a Ferrari

(lurk mode on)

88 spider 07-30-2005 07:09 PM

before i bought the 355 i have now that already had the 30k done, i called ferrari of atlanta about doing one on a perspective red berlinetta i was looking at and they qouted me 6500. i have found that not all 30k services are created equally... you have to make sure you are getting all the necc. stuff done. more stuff needs to be done than the owners man. suggests if you want to make it "right".. also, that 30k is due every 3 years, i think.. or maybe 5. i can't recall..

AlfaKidGtv6 08-01-2005 08:34 PM

Alot of the owners of the older cars will work on their own cars. We have had many Ferraris. The Gt4 is next on the list. It will be no harder to work on then the Gtv6. People are just afraid to really get into it.
As for the comment that a Ferrari parts house doesn't do much in the way of sales. That is 100% not true. I know for a fact that a good living can be made out of selling Ferrari parts.
The Ferrari community is also a great place and information on the cars is easier to get to then it use to be. Ok that is my 2 cents...

Sherpa23 09-14-2005 08:49 PM

I have owned several Ferraris and the price of service and maintenance varies greatly from model to model. The 348, 355 and 360 are EXPENSIVE. Nothing is quick and nothing is cheap. I had a 355 with 20k on the odometer and it already had a $21k service (counting a valve guide replacement). The 328, Mondial 3.2, and to some extent the 308qv are probably the most reliable and "inexpensive" to maintain. The 30k service for a 328 was $4k including new hoses in addition to the usual things. Some of the carbed 8's like the GT4 and the late 70's 308s can be good too. I like the older cars with less complicated electronics but new enough to be reliable. If you own an Alfa, you're not going to find it to be much more high maintenance for a 308 (except maybe the GTBi/GTSi), Mondial, or GT4.

I guess it's funny in a way. I am lusting after an Alfo for a daily driver but I am pretty concerned about the maintenance yet owning a Ferrari doesn't seem nearly as intimidating. I guess I know what to look for in a good Ferrari and I am kind of clueless in what to look for in an Alfa.

D&SW 12-05-2008 04:39 AM

Following the ferrari model sequencing, the more modern the Alfa the more complex (and electronically-based) it is....with the 164 line representing the latter.

Alfas to 1974 are (I guess) blissfully mechanical and relatively simple, and with exceptions of the 1900, 2000 and 2600 based models, parts are pretty plentiful.

also, my experience with Alfa is that everyone can WORK on an Alfa, but only a few can reliably FIX it efficiently...and by that I mean an experienced specialist always has the edge on diagnostic capability and generally, on learning curve...that is, they've most likely already fixed a similar problem on someone elses car, and don't have to learn on yours...

sound familiar? really applies to a lot of things in life, lol....

Alfisto Steve 12-05-2008 05:40 AM

I learned real fast once the warranty ran out on my 164. Wonder what those Ferrari prices look like today (2008)?

lgbalfa 08-01-2010 11:59 PM

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i have a friend who has an 89 328 gts with 11k miles.

he still takes it to the dealership.

besides the major tuneups every few years which is very expensive, he does not spend a ridiculous amount to maintain it every summer.

alfabender 08-02-2010 05:37 PM

Any car can cost a lot to maintain. I had an '86 Mercedes 190E 2.3-16 for about 3 years and had it maintained at a high-end shop specializing in Mercedes and BMW place because the location was convenient for me and, unlike the dealer they at least knew something about the car. I spent something like $20K over 3 years maintaining a car worth $5K and it never ran completely right. And no part seemed to be standard--everything needed to be ordered from Germany. I finally dumped it and got a more reliable car--a '99 Porsche 996.

On the other hand, we've had good luck with the two 164LS's we've had. Yes, things can go wrong but it's not a backbreaking expense.

davbert 08-02-2010 06:21 PM


i hope it wasnt my brothers old 2.3-16...

we had an eurospec car with the dog leg 1st.


alfabender 08-02-2010 10:53 PM

Nah, mine was an automatic. Sweet driving when it was running right. Much nicer to drive on the open road than around town. Good handling car.

tussegaaas 08-03-2010 01:47 PM

oh my god, if I read this, I realise I have to raise my prices. I have a workshop specialized in ferrari, maserati, alfa romeo etc. Today finished a 355, major service, airbag problem, the exhaust by pass valve was broken, the F1 display was broken, and a few minor things... the client had to pay just over 2700 $, I start to think it may be interesting to get the ferrari's shipped to belgium so we can do the service and send the car back, and it still be cheaper :D

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