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Get this POS out of here !

This is a thread about the restoration of this beautiful Lancia Zagato , post your car for sale in the for sale section , or other Italian cars.

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This car is finally moving forward. We dropped it off a Group 2 to get an assessment of the suspension and drive train.



In this photo, Jay and a group 2 mechanic look over the suspension.


Group two will have the car for a few days to look over the works before we get it back.

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Lancia Flaminia Zagato

Very nice car! Does it have the bumpers with it? Does the owner have other Lancias? I owned an Aurelia spider in the mid 60's. B24S 1614 was the serial number. Odd how you can remember something like that! A great driving car - with bodywork by Pinin Farina (before the names were joined.) B20's - the coupe version - was considered by many to be the first "GT" car. A favorite of Formula 1 drivers in the 50's - I remember photos of Fangio, Peter Collins and Mike Hawthorne (I think) in their Aurelia GT's.

Lancia's were known in Europe as technically advanced cars. The Aurelia/Flaminia's had a four speed rear mounted transaxle, swing axles with a deDion tube, and inboard rear brakes. Sliding pillar front suspension, with an integral oiling system and adjustability, and that wonderful V6, albeit underpowered. All of this from 1950 or so on.

Zagato also made a number of similarly shaped versions on the Appia chassis - this was a 4 cyl. Walter Cronkite (yes, that Walter Cronkite!) raced an Appia Zagato at Sebring one year in the late 50's, early 60's. I tried to buy that car off a used car lot in Long Island in the mid 60's - my father wouldn't go for it!

Nardi made a Weber carburator kit for these engines. Later Flaminia sport coupes and convertibles (by Touring) were of the "3C" variety - Triple downdraft Webers. Are you going to try for this mod?

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Last first. I did source the carb conversion for the customer. We decided to not do it. I requires different cams, water pump, and distributor. It is also frowned upon at concourse as well, if the car did not come with it. Although I did find documentation from Zagato that states they approved of they upgrade.
The customer has requested to do a bumper delete. And yes he does have other Lancia's He is a bit of a nut for them.

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Interesting. I don't think I have ever seen a Flaminia Zagato without the three-carb setup....
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Flaminia Zagatos appeared in three series.S1 models(somewhere between 99 and 150 cars are S1s) had the single carb 2.5 V6 with 119 hp and covered headlights.S2 models had conventional headlights and the 3carb version of the 2.5. The third series was called the Super Sport.It had the 3 carb 2.8 V6(148hp) with covered headlights. A total of 526 Flaminia Zagatos were built. Flaminia Zagatos have long been expensive cars-they were considered the "poor man's GTO".The Flaminia was also sold in an Aluminum-bodied coupe and convertible built by Touring(expensive today but not as pricey as a Zagato),a gorgeous 2 door coupe designed by Pininfarina and a very attractive 4 door sedan.The Pininfarina coupe and sedan are rare in the US but are still quite affordable.Those Alfisti interested in exploring other Italian cars should look at Flaminias along with Lancia Fulvia and Flavia.As the former owner of three Lancias(and the present owner of ten Alfas) I can vouch for the remarkable build quality and the pleasure derived from Lancia ownership.
My personal onethatgotaway: in 1983 I had a chance to buy an S2 Flaminia Zagato from a friend in San Antonio. We thought the car had some corrosion in the alloy body(Zagato and Touring built aluminum bodied cars with a substructure of thin steel tubing.The only thing separating the steel tubing from the alloy panels was a layer of felt-like material that dried out and crumbled with the passage of time.At that point the steel and alloy were susceptible to a chemical reaction that caused the alloy panels to corrode-it looked very much like rusty steel).We went to Alamo Sports Cars-then an Alfa dealer -and put the Zagato on a lift next to a brand new GTV6 that was getting serviced.The Alamo mechanic had never seen a Flaminia so he was stunned to discover that it was built(in 1961!!!!) with a rear-mounted transaxle with inboard brakes.The biggest difference between the two designs?...the Flaminia shift linkage was much better! PS-the Zagato body was in very good shape but I didn't buy it-nuts!
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Jim's post on the Flaminia Zagatos is well done. As per the attached, the Super Sports did not have covered headlights - they had an integrated headlight/nacelle shorter than the typical italian covered headlight design, and with a chrome (stainless?) panel on the inner "triangle". There was no cover over the headlight. It made the front look rather cat-like.
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Here's one. Anybody out there have a source for parts? We have a few items we still need.

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Jim's post on the Flaminia Zagatos is well done. As per the attached, the Super Sports did not have covered headlights - they had an integrated headlight/nacelle shorter than the typical italian covered headlight design, and with a chrome (stainless?) panel on the inner "triangle". There was no cover over the headlight. It made the front look rather cat-like.

A beautiful car that looks somewhat like a 2600 Zagato. Even though I'm an Alfa guy, in this case I rather have the Lancia.

Any of the Lancia experts know if there was ever a Zagato bodied version of the B20?
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Yes, they did 4 or 5 B20 2500GT. Not only do they look like the Fiat 8V, I think they even used the same body shells for bot cars. The first one of the Zagato built B20 won the Sestriere rally in 1955.

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Mike Kristick,who lives near York,Penna,has been a wonderful source for parts for older Lancias.You should be able to locate him through the American Lancia Club.
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Thanks Jim. He and I spoke a few weeks back. I'm still waiting on what he could find.

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Parts Supply

Omicron Engineering in the UK is a Lancia specialist. www.omicron.uk.com
I believe Andrew is the person to contact.

Reoriginals also carries some parts.

Try Viva Lancia as well. http://www.viva-lancia.com

They have references to parts, etc.

My Alfa mechanic in NJ also works on Lancias for one of his customers. You might try Mario at Eurotech - 973-992-2800.

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So the long road to restoration begins. Before the first item can be repaired, every item needs inspection. Every nut, washer, switch, bulb, relay and wire. All items need to be cataloged, packaged and scheduled to be sent out (items that get sent out). After the car is disassembled, then we can start the build. A very careful disassembly takes time...
Screws can't be cut off if they stick, items can't be forced apart. After all, we can't go down to the local parts store for replacements.



I had to take a minute to appreciate this. After the lights were removed, I was amazed by the skills required to "french-in" the fog lights. Keep in mind this body was hand made. That means the metal was "bucked" over a wooden frame, with leather mallets. Then moved to the chassis.


Lots of odd challenges are in front of us. It's hard to see but, the window cradle is rusted away???


Where the aluminum and steel meet, electrolysis is at war. The door frame will need to be re-made or rebuilt.


When I pulled the sill plate, the inner rocker was exposed. I'm glad to see this. Why? Well, the rusted section would have needed to be cut out anyway because I have some deep inner sections to repair. Now it will be easier.






Electrolysis was even eating at the fog light bucket.

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A beautiful car that looks somewhat like a 2600 Zagato. Even though I'm an Alfa guy, in this case I rather have the Lancia.

Any of the Lancia experts know if there was ever a Zagato bodied version of the B20?

Sorry for the off topic
Aurelia B20 Zagato
First photo: Monza 1955.You can see the B20 Zagato on the second row, right behind the B20
Second & third photo: Tecnomodel's B20 Zagato (1:43)
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