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post #46 of 60 (permalink) Old 11-03-2003, 02:23 PM
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If I had to get something in a current day realistic price range it'd be a 308 GTB, 308 GTS, 911 SC, or Carrera. If I could play make believe, I'd get a Daytona, Dino 246 GT or a Dino 246 GTS. All in red of course!
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How come most Biturbos and Quattraportes from the 80s are so cheap? I mean besides the fact that they are ugly, they are amazingly luxury and have amazing handling and an extremely fast 0-60, plus they are italian... so why can you buy most of them in good condition for 5-10k? a ferrari from the 80s with the same specs and in the same class would be more like 30-50k!

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The biturbo has alot of mechanical problems and needs constant maintaince.

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My saloon car wishlist looks something like:

1. Maserati Quattroporte.
2. Ferrari 412 (how much of a saloon is that?!)
3. Alfa 166 3.0V6
4. Lancia Thema 8.32
5. Alfa 164 Q4 (4WD)
6. Alfa 164 3.0V6 - my current - so, I'm working my way up the list!


i must say 164QV, that we have the exact same tastes, would u know if the 4th generation quattroporte were more solid and reliable than previous biturbos??


i also loveeeee the Ghibli from 95-99 and the Shamal is just insane
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Is the quattraporte from the 80s just a biturbo that is a sedan instead of a coupe? is it much more reliable?

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I think "Biturbo" was a nickname that was subsequently officially adopted by Maserati. It simply refers to Maseratis with twin turbos. I believe the first was the 228, which in easily understable Maserati-terms means 2-doors, 2.8 litre. The car I had:



Was a 424v. which means 4-doors, 24 valve - whereas the first where 12 valve. So a Biturbo can be both 2 and 4-doors. As AzzurriGTV says, the 80's Biturbos are really cheap, mainly because the mechanicals are very delicate and need constant maintenance. So you may be able to buy it, but probably not to run it. Furthermore, a lot of them have been abused, so its hard to find a clean, cared-for example.

My 424v was a 1994 car, made after FIAT took over. FIAT introduced a lot in terms of quality control, so these later cars are a lot better than the earlier ones. My car had full service history and was totally original, meaning the previous owner hadnt been tempted into increasing the turboboost, which is an easy wasy of getting more BHP (and ruining the engine). In the year I had it, I had NO problems whatsoever - so I can definitely recommend it.

The Quattroporte is supposed to be even more reliable than the earlier cars, so if you can afford it, I think it would make a great everyday car. Still you have to be aware that although reliable, they still need more - and more expensive maintenance than your regular 164.

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GTVMAN, do you enjoy conflict? it seems you get into quite a few arguments from what I can tell. All I know (which is very little) is that there are some exceptional FWD cars that have been made and are being made. GTVMAN, since when do you race your chop-top GTV in any "prominent" international racing competition? To be blunt, the Alfas we own are not meant for today's international races anyways, so why quibble over FWD vs. RWD? We drive Alfas and other cars like them for their style, handling, etc. I feel like a broken record, but it seems that this point is not being made apparent. To all of you, why dont we all calm down by going for a drive>? haha
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GTVMAN,
I absolutely agree with "your" last comment. However, lack of knowledge with respect to the topic at hand and slightly disrespectful remarks are two things that are not illustrated in those quotes. Mastery in discussion is different than mastery in ignorance. I dont think you're belligerent or anything, just that you, as should all of us, need to be respectful of other's comments and not be so stubborn. I have no quote to come back with, just the idea that arguments depend as much on choice of words as they do on ideas.

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Hey GTVMAN

That was pretty neat. Which university are you attending?

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I am attending Diablo Valley College in Pleasant Hill, CA about 30 miles east of San Francisco... it is a small community college of about 25,000 people... We actually had a discussion about this quete that I took from the textbook in our English 116 class... I am sorry if I have offended anyone in anyway, I am sorry for being stubborn and will try to improve. I love this forum so much that I wait all day wondering what your guys's replies will be and when I get home and check the replies it is a satisfying and fullfilling thing that gives my life more meaning... I live and breathe italian cars, all I do besides homework, school, and work, is research Italian (and a little german) cars and go on the forum and talk to you guys... Thank you guys for making my life complete (at least nearly complete, it will only be complete once I have either a Montreal, TZ-2, Tipo 33 Stradale, or a Kanguru (the most unique of all the cars) replica...) Actually I have gotten so obsessed with Italian stuff that (besides eating Italian food all the time and using my alfa as a daily driver) I am gonna be taking Italian next semester. In about a year or so I will do a foregin exchange program to Italy and since I am a film student I will be making a documentary about the Italian car industry and try and interview all the original designers, directors, company heds, etc... that is if they haven't died by now... Thank You guys for making the sun shine brighter even though it is winter and hardly any sun in this 30-50* weather!

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GTVMAN,

Your first interview should be with Giorgetto Giugiaro!

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There actually is an excellent interview with Giugiaro, and an overview of his and Italdesigns work in the latest Auto Italia magazine.

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... Actually I have gotten so obsessed with Italian stuff that (besides eating Italian food all the time and using my alfa as a daily driver) I am gonna be taking Italian next semester.
Did you ever see the movie Breaking Away?

The Italian car industry is an interesting topic for a movie, but something a bit more broad that I'd like to see someday is a book or documentary on Italian design in general--why is it so distinctively Italian, what makes it different from other countries' design? There must be something different about the training. They can even make a boxy Volvo look good while still looking like a Volvo. There are so many distinctive Italian industrial and fashion designers. And sometimes it's the little things. I remember when I was younger visiting an Alfa dealership in the mid or late 80s and marvelling over the vent outlets on a Spider, how wonderfully designed they were. Seems silly now that I think back on it, but still . . .

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italian design is all about " i dettagli" or the details, lil things that can go unoticed but truly make a difference in the overall design

a good example is when pininfarina puts his lil signature on the side of the car, it just makes the car look cooler, just like wearing versace shades

i remember that in the 80's volvo had a coupe designed by bertone and it instantly looked better than the other boxy volvos

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You guys are right, I should just make a documentary on Italian Design in general, but with a main emphasis and focus on Cars... I also wear italian clothes too, I have a $1500 Versace leather jacket that I got as a present from my grandpa, it is the best jacket ever made! I have sleepness nights thinking about Italian cars... The one person I really want to interview is Franco Scaglione because he is my favorite designer of all time, but I think he is dead isn't he?

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