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post #331 of 469 (permalink) Old 09-09-2018, 12:49 PM
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this coolant discussion has come up on other forums lately too. i have been wondering about switching to a g11 or g12 like vw uses. these are anti-phosphate, anti-amine, and anti-phosphorous coolants. it's been mentioned not to switch back and forth between coolants the contain silicates as there could be some reaction or releasing of a silicate affected layer within the engine.
the thought about the g11/g12 is from thinking about the way it seems to work so well with the aluminum components. i don't see any of the typical corrosion i've seen with the regular ethylene glycol based coolants.
i would think a thorough flushing of the system must be done before changing to prevent cross contamination of the coolants if it were decided to change.
does anyone have any experience using these types of coolants?
G12 (and maybe G11) are organic acid technology (OAT). It's fine for aluminum but is incompatible with the copper and brass components used in older cars.

With one car in which halting corrosion was a primary concern (Maserati A6), Evans waterless seemed to work well.


PS: Just investigated and realized that the Fuchs coolant installed by my shop is OAT. Need to look into this incompatibility issue.

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G12 (and maybe G11) are organic acid technology (OAT). It's fine for aluminum but is incompatible with the copper and brass components used in older cars.

With one car in which halting corrosion was a primary concern (Maserati A6), Evans waterless seemed to work well.


PS: Just investigated and realized that the Fuchs coolant installed by my shop is OAT. Need to look into this incompatibility issue.
please let us know what you find. i don't think fuchs is available here, but i'm sure there are others producing similar products. i'm currently using glycol based coolant and haven't seen anything alarming but i'm always curious about things like this. i know of another lancia owner using the evans coolant that reports good performance, although slightly higher running temps.

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please let us know what you find. i don't think fuchs is available here, but i'm sure there are others producing similar products. i'm currently using glycol based coolant and haven't seen anything alarming but i'm always curious about things like this. i know of another lancia owner using the evans coolant that reports good performance, although slightly higher running temps.
The technically savvy shop owner who installed the Fuchs coolant conducted his own research after I raised my concern about OAT with him, and concluded that it should be replaced with "green conventional coolant". I use this in all of my other older collector cars on a three year replacement cycle, so I'm happy to do so.
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post #334 of 469 (permalink) Old 09-19-2018, 04:01 AM Thread Starter
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New seals for brake booster

While driving and servicing my cars I always was a little bit unhappy about the quality of the seal kits for main brake cylinder and servo. The material available works fine when new, but after four to five years they fail, no matter if you drove the car or not. Most obvious is that the booster starts leaking towards the vacuum chamber, but the brake performance goes down as well.

Time to do some homework on seals. This is the result:



Admitted, they do not look much different, but the seals are made of an absolutely superior material compared to the ones available elsewhere. Several test runs were made to get them work perfectly.


First field tests have been completed successfully, but will do some more on the Flavia.

If you want to participate, let me know.

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Ho acquistato e montato da due giorni sulla mia coupé 2800 un kit gommini pompa e gommini servofreno commerciali.... Non ho ancora neanche messo il liquido.... A saperlo prima....
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Hubert we would be interested to have as a spare for our `63 Flavia 1.8 Coupe.

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Ho acquistato e montato da due giorni sulla mia coupé 2800 un kit gommini pompa e gommini servofreno commerciali.... Non ho ancora neanche messo il liquido.... A saperlo prima....
?p, hp mai avuto pb con questi tipi di kit.

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È la prima volta che li uso. Li ho comprati da cavallitto a Torino. Due anni fa ho fatto revisionare la pompa da un meccanico, ha usato la marca che vedi in foto. Non mi ha però cambiato i gommini delle valvole di riempimento, uno si è poi rotto dando problemi. Erano comunque gonfi quando li ho tolti. Il servofreno non era mai stato revisionato. Non perdeva olio, ma ho voluto revisionare tutto da solo questa volta.... Pinze comprese.
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Signori,

mi dispiace, ma io non parlo italiano.

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I think, I do understand your message. Sorry for posting the information too late.

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Eh !

Non è Italiano, Tedesco ??!!??

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it will be a comparative test on durability .... I Will use dot 4
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End of the engine

Originally this post should have been named "status of the engine", even thought of giving it a name. "Black Pearl" would have worked as long as it is not cleaned.

Status:
broken valve spring, head plugs oxidised through and water chambers packed with deposits. No serious issues so far.

But then there was this white spot at the side of the block surrounded by all the dirt. Why was this so dry and light? Poked a little bit with the scriber . . .

and the deposit from inside started gushing out.

Black Pearl dead.











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Sorry Tedesco, don't understand.

Do you consider your engine cannot be restored ?

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Hubert,
If you're making master/booster kits for PF 2.8, put me down for a set too, please. While I don't have another one at the moment, I still have hopes.

As for the corrosion, you have my sympathies. The soft aluminium plugs wasting away is almost normal in cases of neglect, and is simple enough. The block is another story. My late partner in crime, Mike Space, had my old Aurelia convertible, B24S-1236, that the previous owner, in the sixties, had modified by Griswold Motors in Berkeley to take a Flaminia motor, after the original motor dropped a valve. As the PF motor in it was frozen, I had given it to a friend, and found an Aurelia motor for it that had been stuffed in a Lotus Seven by Max Balchowsky, of Old Yeller fame. It had been mistreated, as well as sand and bead blasted, without any real cleaning, and was a difficult project, so Mike sourced another Flam motor to just drop in and drive, but it turned out that block was breached similarly to yours.

Rather than a complicated welding project, he bolted/epoxied an aluminium plate over the offending area, and it lasted longer than he did. It was still tight after another two owners, the last of whom converted it back to the B24 motor I had acquired for it. Unfortunately, by that time I had come to the point of view that the Flaminia motor should have stayed; as it is the car has lost its history, and is now just another "restored" Aurelia Convertible. It was a good story.

I've looked for pictures of the patch job, but can't find them as yet, I'm afraid. Hopefully that is the only hole....
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