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You should consider producing your panel holding device, might be a market for them.

Beaut work as usual
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Pete, that is a good idea. The body would have to be more "shop like" instead of the drawing board which is "office design". The basic functions are simple. inside the stand there is a counter weight, making it extremely easy to lift up and down. Another positive thing besides the advantages described further down is, that you are able to get panels aligned exactly as they have to be on the car. When welding panels lying on the work bench, there is the risk of connecting them while they are flexed and thus the part will not fit well on the car afterwards.

BTW, when the Unimog came to the Farm, we set an Autobahn-slow moving record. This Wednesday I had the chance to experience the other end of the scale. Imagine an unremarkable charcoal-grey BMW 5 series sedan pushing down the Autobahn at a true 205 mph. On public road, not racetrack!!! After that, you need two hours at least to get the adrenalin out of your body again.

My interest was for the wagon, which only reaches 320km/h (198,8 mph). See pics.

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Wow!--205 mph!
My DD is a 535 xi Touring Wagon.
I understand in Europe that if the customer doesn't buy a sedan, it will be the wagon. Not the SUV.
In North America, they buy the SUV. So, V. few 5 series wagons.
Bought in 2010 and I had the Dinan Stage 2 installed. Chip and exhaust. HP goes from 300 to 375 and Torque from 300 to 415.
Goes well and the governor that limited top speed to 155 mph is no longer effective. Top speed probably limited by the gearing--and I don't know. Lois gets critical at 160 klicks.
And I have not done any track time in years.
Nice, smooth driver with a good compromise between handling and comfort.

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Bob,

the car I drove was an Alpina B5 Biturbo, so actually not a BMW (from Alpina´s point of view). As you say about yours, this was a suprisingly good mixture of comfort and road handling. Acceleration and top speed were an experience, yes, but also scaring. The other drivers around you do not have the slightest vision of what is happening. It is only a matter of time when you blow yourself and others up hammering in like a cruise missile.

I will stay in the performance region you described, as a life prolonging action.

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It has taken two days to fully get through to me. The "Alpina" stuff must be incredible.
205 MPH. The HP must be ++++. Any downforce devices on the car?
Or is the "wagon" shape as slippery as was the Ferrari "Breadwagon"?
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It has taken two days to fully get through to me. The "Alpina" stuff must be incredible.
205 MPH. The HP must be ++++. Any downforce devices on the car?
Or is the "wagon" shape as slippery as was the Ferrari "Breadwagon"?
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It has 600 HP and a torque of 800Nm (590lbft?). Alpina utilises the BMW features 4 wheel drive, 4 wheel steering with the rear axle doing very small angles only but power actuated, not only by special kinematics. And it has the active drive system with roll control. The Alpina does not roll at all, the setup keeps it parallel to the ground. The whole car is perfectly balanced and the suspension is sharpened to an extreme level, without being too firm. The forged Alpina rims are integral components of that, there is no choice between different dimensions or designs.

As you may see on the pics, the wagon has an Alpina front lip and "diffusor style" back end. That´s it.

The literal translation of what we say in German would be something like "it lies like a plank". You feel so safe, and that can be dangerous.

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"My interest was for the wagon, which only reaches 320km/h (198,8 mph). See pics."



If you fold in the mirrors it's good for another 1-2 mph at those speeds...don't ask how I know....
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Engine rebuild

A club mate asked about an engine rebuild for his early Coupé. It is a 1959 showing some interesting details like brake booster only for front wheels.

A good opportunity to take the "Bugatti-Wagen" engine from the shelf and do a twin rebuid, supplemented by a Flavia engine rebuild for my first Flavia, which now belongs to a good friend.

The engine is blocked, outside full of oil and dirt. When removing the drain hose leading from block to radiator, the banjo bolt broke. The opening of the heater control valve is full of yellow/white solid. Most likely the complete water chambers will be full as well. This is typical for the Flaminia engine, but I do not really know, what it is. Result of a long term chemical reaction of the cooling liquid or result of some chemical reaction with the aluminum of the block.

Does anyone know?

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EPI Hexadecimal Extractor

There are stories all around the world telling what an effort it was getting the heads off a Flaminia or Aurelia engine. I have seen cracked heads, heads cut into pieces, cut off studs, battered head and block surfaces. The methods chosen to get the job done sometimes are beyond description.

And now the fabulous EPI hexadecimal extractor enters the stage. But before the head is removed, the flywheel and the vibration damper/pulley have to be disassembled. To fix the crank, a handmade tooth bracket was used. After that the small studs holding the valve cover were unscrewed with a special tool. You may do this with two countered nuts but sometimes you will spoil the stud doing so.



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EPI Hexadecimal Extractor II

The EPI hexadecimal extractor had been made a couple of years ago.

The idea behind it is, spread the force applied to as many spots as possible and avoid tilting of the head while going up. I designed the item so that it could utilize the lower parts of the rocker arm supports and their fixing studs. After turning the bolts down hand tight, they are further turned down by a half turn one after the other. The head will come up slowly but gently.

You have to act carefully and ensure that the head is not tilting, but very quickly the dust will start gushing out of the holes and the head will come up. This time all sixteen studs were blocked, highscore!!!

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Wow!

Love the name of the device.

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A club mate asked about an engine rebuild for his early Coupé. It is a 1959 showing some interesting details like brake booster only for front wheels.

A good opportunity to take the "Bugatti-Wagen" engine from the shelf and do a twin rebuid, supplemented by a Flavia engine rebuild for my first Flavia, which now belongs to a good friend.

The engine is blocked, outside full of oil and dirt. When removing the drain hose leading from block to radiator, the banjo bolt broke. The opening of the heater control valve is full of yellow/white solid. Most likely the complete water chambers will be full as well. This is typical for the Flaminia engine, but I do not really know, what it is. Result of a long term chemical reaction of the cooling liquid or result of some chemical reaction with the aluminum of the block.

Does anyone know?

Hubert
It seems that the Flaminia engine is very sensitive to coolant chemistry. When Omicron restored my 2.8 convertible in 2012, they used 4-Life (a/k/a Forlife), purportedly a 10-year coolant made in the UK. Within five years, this product had eaten through an alloy lower hose connector and left hard crystalline deposits that were fortunately fresh enough to flush (photos). Where the product leaked into the engine compartment it corroded electrical connections.

We have refilled with Fuchs Maintain Fricofin and all is well again.

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It seems that the Flaminia engine is very sensitive to coolant chemistry. When Omicron restored my 2.8 convertible in 2012, they used 4-Life (a/k/a Forlife), purportedly a 10-year coolant made in the UK. Within five years, this product had eaten through an alloy lower hose connector and left hard crystalline deposits that were fortunately fresh enough to flush (photos). Where the product leaked into the engine compartment it corroded electrical connections.

We have refilled with Fuchs Maintain Fricofin and all is well again.

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Don,

important info, thanks for it! Inspired by your pics, in the future I will post my pics in full size, too

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this coolant discussion has come up on other forums lately too. i have been wondering about switching to a g11 or g12 like vw uses. these are anti-phosphate, anti-amine, and anti-phosphorous coolants. it's been mentioned not to switch back and forth between coolants the contain silicates as there could be some reaction or releasing of a silicate affected layer within the engine.
the thought about the g11/g12 is from thinking about the way it seems to work so well with the aluminum components. i don't see any of the typical corrosion i've seen with the regular ethylene glycol based coolants.
i would think a thorough flushing of the system must be done before changing to prevent cross contamination of the coolants if it were decided to change.
does anyone have any experience using these types of coolants?

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Wanted a GT in 2.8 3C, but when I read all of this ... I wonder if it's a good idea !!!!

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It definitely is! Choose a well kept example or a car that has ben restored by Flaminia experts and you will enjoy every meter. My GT 3C made Gran Premio Nuvolari (a 3500 km trip from my residence to Mantova and back home) twice



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