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So, my recollection of 8 speeds forward and as many in reverse may be close to correct?


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Bob,

you could also order a gear box with 2x4 gears.

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Passenger door

It is my aim to keep the shop appearance as clean as possible (I do not mean the absence of dirt, that is hardly possible when working). A simple cabinet was built out of what was on the shelf and painted according the colour scheme of the other infrastructure. Serves to hide my welding equipment, which comprises a new MIG-welder. The old one, thirty five years old, was one of the first "big" investments I made during my student days. It was the only way for me to maintain a car, buy as cheap as possible and keep on the road by DIY. To give an impression, the cheapest one was 80 USD. Luckily I have improved since then.

When looking at the door I was tempted to only replace the corroded parts of the different panels. Even had the impression it would be much better than the left one. In fact it is, in a way. The front end with all of its small pieces giving strength to the hinge take ups escaped corrosion (mainly).

But when the skin was removed a lot of rust showed up at the rear end flange and the lower corner of the door frame. The skin itself had lost more than seventy percent of its material thickness near the door handle mounting, too. Patching would lead me nowhere!

As exercised before cutting was made along the original weldseams. In order to reach the hidden areas an axial grinder was used. This is new equipment of the German brand "Fein", extremely reliable stuff.

Applied some reinforcements to keep the skeleton in shape.

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Door frame completed, first layer of ugly primer, door skin half way done, rough fitting of the door
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Since it was bought I had been struggling with the hoses and the handpiece of the torch. Thought it to be too complicated to disconnect it from the bottles every time and store in a cabinet. Instead the hoses were rolled up and placed somewhere which was no good. When using it a support was needed for the torch. Stumbling upon the hoses was everyday business.

Finally I found a solution. Made a holder for the anvil stand, which was a progress, but not the real deal, because you need the anvils while working in order to planish the weld. Next was a clamp-support for the table. It works for the torch as well as the MIG/MAG.

For the hoses a slide was made utilising a rail mounted underneath one of the tables. Now the torch disappears completely when not in use and only the needed length is unreeled during operation.

Simple things, good things.
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As you may have noticed, the rear right wing had been removed again recently. I was not satisfied with some details and wanted to address these after the sill and the door were finished.

After five years of panel beating on the Bugatti-Wagen, many things have evolved. The shop has moved, a lot of equipment has been sourced, existing stuff had been upgraded and to some extend I have gone bananas with that project. The closer body work moves to the end the more hesitation there is.

To cut a long story short, at least the right rear wing is being addressed again and the first panel under construction comes out much better than the old work.

When we were sitting in the early spring sun, my wife(!!!!) came up with the proposal, I should slowly start investigating for the next project. Any experiences out there what it means when your wife starts talking such things?

To exclude the obvious, I instantly asked her, if she´d need more time for a lover, which she negated (and I tend to believe her).

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Be careful with the redoing of previously done work. I suffer from that too and I believe that has a large part to do with why my car's restoration is not completed.

We do need to remember these cars were not perfectly sculptured when new as their purpose was to be sold for profit not works of art.
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Pete,

I will keep your advice in mind and will not start it all over again. A running Pininfarina Coupé is missing in my garage!

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One of the problems you have when you get into a serious restoration and you don`t do it for a living is that you are always learning as you go, as well as acquiring new tools and equiptment to make the work better. You also are often reviewing visually previous work and being critical knowing from what you have learnt and maybe with the better tools you have since acquired that you could do it better second time around. It is a very real dilema and something I suspect we all suffer from.
I think you have be realistic about why you are doing it though and what exactly are you trying to achieve - is it self therapy or an actual restoration? In many cases these cars were quite roughly finished compared to the standard of work Hubert for example does but I can understand why one with high standards wants to do better. I think it is the personal satisfaction and sense of accomplishment that drives him on. The completion is an anti climax and I suspect "Mrs Hubert" realises this.
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Hubert, what this means is you married well. Very well! Please, for your own sake if not for ours, do not disappoint her!

I was lucky too. While other men have to hear "Why did you buy that ...CAR?", my wife complains "WHY didn't you buy that Lancia?" My explanations of time, space, and money fall on deaf ears (though she pays the bills...).

And she still wants another PF.


While the internal welding might be somewhat coarse, keep in mind that the panels on these cars were stamped rather than hand-beaten/wheeled, and were finished to a rather high standard. Take a look at pictures of new Flaminia Berlinas and PFs, and see how straight the reflections are despite the curves.

I have been watching Hubert and marveling at his willingness (foolishness?) to take on such a difficult process, as well as his ability to see and do as well as he has. As to the redoing of previous work (which I suspect we are all guilty of), the most difficult surfaces are the simplest looking. And when you see something "off", you can never un-see it.
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Gentlemen,

you are right in every respect, "socially" and projectwise. It is good to get confirmation on this "doing things twice or three times" matter. It is as Steve said, you see things once and will never oversee them again, whereas at the same time people visiting my shop say "everything looks brilliant". However, it is important to let an experienced third party look at the work, and that is what I will have done.

Project alternatives as they show at the moment:

A. Rebuilding of the UNIMOG cabin (that is not much work and therefore hardly a "project" at least not for AlfaBB)

B. Aurelia B12 of a friend who has too many projects. The car suffers from a crash. Would add a new dimension to my project but I am not sure if that is a way to go. Do not know how severe the accident was. And important question, do I want an Aurelia? Had the chance to go for a very attractively priced B20 but did not want. On the other hand a four door would make sense with regard to my collection.


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Gentlemen,

you are right in every respect, "socially" and projectwise. It is good to get confirmation on this "doing things twice or three times" matter. It is as Steve said, you see things once and will never oversee them again, whereas at the same time people visiting my shop say "everything looks brilliant".

And important question, do I want an Aurelia? Had the chance to go for a very attractively priced B20 but did not want.
Hubert--yes and I now regret it:

1967 and Gio was the "go-to" guy with sportscars.
A B24, in Celeste Blue, was in his shop and he suggested I should buy it for around $1500. He told me that it was an important car and I agreed. But the light blue did not do it for me. Also, it looked like a boulevarde car. And I had a badly broken leg from skiing.
Eventually got out of the cast and bought my first Super.
Did not regret it until the other night when I watched Jay Leno demonstrate his black one.
Sigh.

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Years ago (when working on the lhd rear fender) there was some concern about the deep corrosion scares behind the trim. At that time the plan was to leave that to the paint shop. Now, at the rhd side the affected area was removed and replaced. The tiltabe table was used for the first time. The panel was positioned with the octopus.

It takes a while to get in the right position, but then work is so much easier. Before the panel was sliding over the workbench when doing hammering work. Accessability often was suboptimal and the panel had to be turned and repositioned very often. This led to slow work progress, reduced precision and frustration.

Now you only have to release the brake, tilt the panel, fasten it again and continue work.

In order to do some hammering from inside the tail fin, I made two simple slappers with which the weld could be straightened from the back.

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You should consider producing your panel holding device, might be a market for them.

Beaut work as usual
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