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Richard, that drain pipe ended below the sill bottom when new. It was one piece. It rusted away after some time and probably let water flow in the sill chamber. One other drain pipe (in fact it is a hose) leading down from the rear triangular window ended inside the sill from new.

Do not know how much water it filled in the sill back then. The front end of the sill and the rear are both rotten on the same level.

By the way there are two more drain pipes, will show pics later.

Ian, the Touring guys built great cars, but why did they put felt between aluminum fender and wheel housing? Must have been to keep the moisture between alu and steel.

Found some new toys (see pic. 3+4). They are made by a company nearby, I´m very happy owning a German Hammer, or two, or three …

Found myself running around outside the shop in the dark, trying to take photos to catch the atmosphere, too.

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Well that was a pleasant hour's reading, It's a great story you're telling here.

Finally caught up, I will enjoy following along with the others now!

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The table is really good, who is the manufacturer? The depressions are a v nice feature.

Mine is similar, but with an inner radius as well - you will find you need the mirror image too, always a curve you can't get! it might be worth drilling and tapping at each end of one straight section, then make up a reinforced clamping bar - say 6mm angle with a hypotenuse welded in - drilled for m10 clearance at each end, you can tip / planish flanges over the edge of the table. Handy if you have an 'inside' fold you can't get with the conventional folder.
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Grantree, the manufacturer of the table is Joh. Hermann Picard GmbH & Co. www.picard-hammer.de/ and it is absolutely true, the field of special tools is endless and you may end up buying and making special tools instead of assembling the car.

The multi-stepped rocker panel is ready for welding in. Again it was not possible to make on the folder as it is slightly curved. Paid special attention to the drain tubes and their seats. After drilling a 9 mm hole, I formed a tapered seat using a peening tool.

The top of the tube was opened by that, too. In a second step I used a nodular hammer head to form the collar. BTW I do not see too much sense in this particular drain tube but it belongs to the car.

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it will be very easy to solder the tube to the panel this time.

Quite a few vice grips in operation!!!
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Cut out the rear wheel house today. Did I say that the passenger side is much better than the driver side?

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Hi Hubert,
Yes the felt between the panels really seems like an afterthought. I don't think the cars were ever built to last a long time just look good for the wealthy owners.
I too have to rebuild the same wheel arch as mine was not rusty but crumpled in an accident. Additionally I have remade the chassis leg and have to repair the gearbox crossmember and trunk floor. It's quite a challenge as there are no parts available.

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Does anyone have a picture of the section seen in pic 1? And what is the purpoe of these three small parts?

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The passenger side rear wing is worse than expected. It is corroded through all around and behind the trim. Way back there was some concern about this part at the driver side. I will try to remanufacture the complete fin. Started with the C-pillar, which is almost finished. Marked the original welding seams and will try to work accordingly.

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The upper parts of the fender are more or less finished. What causes headache is the main part. It is 2m long and slightly cambered. I have never made such a big panel in one piece.

Fixed an aluminum rod by c-clamps in order to avoid too heavy flexing of the panel. Never the less this huge piece is very difficult to run through the English wheel without a second man. You may notice stripes on the panel, being not aligned very well. Up to now the panel is curved vertically only. (It is a test only. Because I have run out of sheets of the correct thickness I am making a trial with thin material).

The black centre line indicated where finally a slight kink has to run along.

How to approach the horizontal curve of the panel?

Also upgraded my entertainment system, following a close friend´s advice that one should be able to listen to the music with the ear plugs in.

Maybe PA speakers would even suit better, but when I was a student I was dreaming of these living room speakers. And in a way my shop is a living room, isn´t it?

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Hubert, if you have a flat surface you could use a hammer to produce the horizontal curve. I`ve used this technique on a 105 series Alfa boot panel that curves both ways - not as big but double curved nonetheless. I don`t have an English Wheel so all done with the hammer - I got the technique off David Gardner`s DVD - took a while but didn`t even require the hours of planishing and filing I thought I`d be in for.
I`ve said it before but I`m going to say it again, fantastic work you are doing and what a fabulous workshop.

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Forgot to mention too that went to a friends place last weekend to pick up the rest of the tool kit he had for a Ferrari we bought off him - drove there in our Flavia Coupe - and to see again his Flavia convertible which is being restored. He has the optional hardtop with his. We understand this car is the only Flavia convertible in New Zealand, our Coupe is one of five which includes his later 2 litre Coupe so any Flavia is pretty rare over here. My son and I, and our friend were competitors for the only Flaminia Touring (required restoration) that we know of in NZ which went to somebody else but still remains in our region and is currently under restoration. The owner has reputedly spent $100k already. Our friend who is restoring the Vignale convertible has spent $50000 on professional restoration already - another reminder how much each of us are saving by doing it ourselves, We certainly couldn`t afford our cars if we had to get someone else to do it, plus we`d miss out on that enjoyment and satisfaction we get and I`m sure you get also.

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Richard, I am following your advice. And, btw, our cars are rare up here, but not as rare as at your place. Makes them even more adorable.

Treated the panel with a wooden hammer and started planishing with the English Wheel. As you can see, there was too much stretch in some places, beating like hell alone does not do the job. Every single beat has its consequences which often cannot be seen right away.

As the shown panel served as a trial only, work on it has been stopped. Meantime sheets of the right thickness have arrived and I prepared for making the final part. First the old wing and the door have been put in place again. Then templates have been made to be able to transfer and check the camber at different positions. Fixed them to the wing by magnets for demonstration only.

Next thing after tailoring the blank will be to draw some reference lines and then start cambering in small steps. Still have that big profile taker for the horizontal curve to check as well!
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Hubert, after seeing the profile guages on the car another way of tackling that panel would be to make it in small sections and gas weld it together. As you know with gas welding it fuses into one with no filler if done right. I would though, as you have the skills and time, construct as one which would be preferable from an ideal perspective and I know would give greater personal satisfaction as well as replicating the actual construction of that part of the car. I`m not sure many realise how difficult this is.
Re the shaping of the test panel I tend to use gentler blows which means it takes longer to form but less planishing required which takes me even longer than shaping. I see you appear to be using electro galv sheet - good idea - that`s what I use too.

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