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Mr. de Boer:
Thank you for taking the time to help me fill in some of the blanks on #158. The previous owner of the car really undertook a fantastic stem to stern restoration of the vehicle prior to its importation to the U.S., and he provided me with pictures during the restoration process. I was provided a list of prior owners of the vehicle along with the 1995 auction catalog from Coys. I would be curious to know what the original colour of the car was when it left the factory. It is referenced in Mr. Balestra's book that the car was originally silver however, I have also heard that it was also originally red. In any event, below are a couple of recent pictures I took of the car, which is really quite a treat to drive, which I do. I have put on probably close to a thousand miles over the last few months and have been very pleasantly surprised that so many people recognize the car. And yes, my user name refers to the fact that I am a forensic pathologist. Again, thanks to all for this thread.
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Cisitalia 202B

i have not checked recently to see if this still is the case based on what we think we know now but my interpretation of the significance of "202B" has been that the "202B" designation was based on an update to the mechanical specifications of the cars. Some of it was probably a bit of marketing hype? Even if there were some general changes to certain body characteristics that came about at roughly the same time, I do not believe that the "202B" designation came as the result of a change in body characteristics. The same should be true of "202C" and is certainly true in the "202D".

I know that it has been written otherwise by some sources, but please show me documentation that supports the idea that the "202B" was named for changes in body styling ... when there were many other variations in body styling that went unrecognized from car to car.

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Ranieri's car

Paolo, I do not believe that your two photos show the same car. I don't know why you believe that they are the same car. There are simply too many differences in shapes, bonnet opening, grille set-back and much more. Museums and other topical displays are notorious for making statements about items displayed that I would characterize as "evocative" rather than precisely "historic".

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I had some doubts too when Ranieri presented the car in the Museum. He said he remembered the chassis number and he asked to repaint it in the original color. The car is very different today, of course. This could be the result of a wrong restoration, who knows?
You know better than me too many people like to tell fake stories...
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Original color of 158SC?

I do not know this detail for this car. It was red when I saw it 1990 and it had been red for a time beforehand.

Since the car was described as a special "Lusso" version, it seems unlikely to me that it was originally bright red.

If you really want to know, we should contact Nino Balestra AND do the research necessary to make an attempt to locate owners from the 1950's to see what they might remember ... and might have remaining in the way of photographs. There is a risk that you might become tempted to do a re-restoration once you learn how the car really was? But, it may be good to "have historical options" when the car is once again needing a paint job.

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Not serie B ni C.I think the plate is original.
The factory non stamped B or C
Them ?
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A couple more of #158 when she wore silver.
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Tipo B or not?

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Not serie B ni C.I think the plate is original.
The factory non stamped B or C
Them ?
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From what we already know of the vagaries and inconsistency of Cisitalia numbering, i will not be surprised if we find that some "Tipo B", "Tipo C" and "Tipo D" were not marked as such on their ID plates. But, we should pay attention to those cases where the markings are not present and try to determine if there was a reason for the suffix to have been left un-stamped.

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#158 in silver

Ah, now you're going to make me check my memory about the color on the car when I saw it in 1989!

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hello,
detailed pictures of a 100% authentic 202 of the first series convertible available or a contact to a owner was a original in garage ?
that we can restoration the cisitalia cabrio historically accurate to the last details.
we will go 2013 to villa d´este.
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The 202 cabriolet in Rainiero Museum,telaio 146,isn't the Villa D'este.
This car was sold in action Coys 11/5/95, from Argentina.
The 202 coupe in "MOMA" telaio 057 from Argentina.
The prototype (first 202 telaio 03) Metallic acquamarine,velvet interior,white steering wheel 1947 Paris Motor Show.The most important 202 was in Argentina
The 202 SMM telaio 036 in turin Museum, from Argentina.
My ex 202 coupe telaio 164 is now in Volkswagen Museum.
The Porsche Cisitalia 360 GP,in Porsche Museum from Argentina
The 202 coupe telaio 166 in Dauphin Collection from Argentina
The Savonuzzi CMM 2 In Japan collection from Argentina
The 202 SMM allegerita Dusio-Dusio 1000Miglia 1948 from Argentina
The 202 SMM Bonetto- Maritano 1000Miglia 1948 from Argentina
The 204 telaio 07 today in USA from Argentina
Incredible the cars in Museums from Argentina.
To day remain in Argentina:
3 D46
2 202 cabriolet
202 corsa ex Scagliarini-Maffiodo
1 204
Originally nothing more
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hello dott. cisitalia,
many thanks for the information.
what is your opinion to the originality? Solex or Weber Carburator? What address would you recommend for the instruments to restore perfect ?
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With the special Nardi intake manifold,Soles not doubt

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berhhard.
The President of "Cisitalia International Club" Dott Nino Balestra,has a wonderfull 202 cabriolet full restored.first serie
He is Director of Bonfanti Museum.
Museo dell'Automobile Bonfanti – Vimar
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