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Mistery solved.
Checking the car deeper, we found that, altough the first paint was medium blue, the car had a second repaint in a greenish blue.
There are some little traces of that color on several parts of the body.

We found also that, probably thanks to the special hi-compression pistons, the stroke is longer than the stock 1100 TV Engine.
The actual stroke is 83 mm with a stock 68 mm bore. The total displacement is 1205 cc.
The firing order is no more 1-3-4-2

This data match with the description of 1959 Targa Florio Panepinto car, described in the leaderboard as "Fiat 1200 Boano".
Maybe that was a displacement enlargement made by Giannini.

Obviously, we are still walking in the "maybe" zone.....

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Today I received the badges restored by Ragni.

They don't use to restore them (they are producers), but at last they had mercy of me so they did the work

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Did you ever see brass bumpers? First time for me.....

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Is the whole bumper brass? Or just the steel covered with brass plating.
Sometimes the steel is first plated with copper then chrome plated.

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It's not surprising for me.
The inox steel had a very high price in that period, Fiat preferred the "old" and economical brass to chrome for the bumpers. The last car Fiat that produced with brass bumpers was the 2300, in 1964.
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Is the whole bumper brass? Or just the steel covered with brass plating.
Sometimes the steel is first plated with copper then chrome plated.
No, whole brass...

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It's not surprising for me.
The inox steel had a very high price in that period, Fiat preferred the "old" and economical brass to chrome for the bumpers. The last car Fiat that produced with brass bumpers was the 2300, in 1964.
Another thing learned...

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bumper materials

Please remember that this is a coachbuilt car by Boano. The bumpers did not come from Fiat. They were hand-formed, perhaps with the aid of a pressing tool to get some general shapes. Fiat was using steel for a good number of their production cars. I would not be surprised to find brass in a good number of series-produced "fuoriserie" but probably not so much in the true volume-produced cars.

The use of "Inox" in these (fairly) early times generally required simplified shapes for bumpers because weld-seams were not desired and the Inox alloys tended to be quite tough to work.

I've seen brass in bumpers from Frua, Ghia and (I think) Vignale ... but not always for any of these carrozzerie. Surely there were others who used brass on occasion ... such as Boano.

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The curious thing is that on the period advertisment they distinctly wrote "chromed steel bumpers".

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As i said before, the stainless steel had a very high price in that period. Why? Because Italy didn't produce it, by the way we didn't produce a lot of standard steel too, Italy was a country wich lost the war.
We bought steel, coal, oil and many other "commodities" abroad, paying high import taxes.
Thanks to the Treaty of Rome, Italy became (finally) part of the European Economic Community in 1958.
After the industrial re-organization the ex- "Acciaierie Terni", owned by ENEL, signed a joint-venture with the United States Steel company in 1961 to produce, for the first time, the Italian stainless steel: the "Terninoss".
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200 km/h scale on a speedometer with a FIAT pattern is quite odd and...very optimistic

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I never knew they were sold in Hermès boxes

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Get some updates...that is the last frontier of the car parts marketing

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Interesting that these "sporting" cars, like my 1500 Cabriolet, did not come with tachometers. Yet all Etceterinis I've seen have them so the importance of the gauge was known.

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Interesting that these "sporting" cars, like my 1500 Cabriolet, did not come with tachometers. Yet all Etceterinis I've seen have them so the importance of the gauge was known.
The importance was known for sure but this awareness was not widespread between all car builders.

Watching a period small sketch of my car, i noticed that there were three instruments and, in fact, the dashboard have enough space in the middle of the two to accomodate another one.

I suppose that the tacho could be requested as an optional.
I'm thinking to install a Jaeger one, maybe with a custom bracket over the steering column behind the steering wheel, but i still have to decide...

Francesco

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