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Well, so far the Global cooling deniers have been consistently wrong.....
so we've got that going for us....
And AOC says we only have 12 years (not 100) 'till the end. Dare to say I should be around to confirm that she is a fruit loop!
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Well, so far the Global cooling deniers have been consistently wrong.....
so we've got that going for us....
And AOC says we only have 12 years (not 100) 'till the end. Dare to say I should be around to confirm that she is a fruit loop!
I did not say we had 100 years, I just said none of us would be around to celebrate.

As @Subtle states, "Physics and geology know no time limits." It's absolutely true. I would probably add Chemistry to the list as well.

I think the conversation about whether the earth is warming or cooling is humorous. I find it as humorous as "fracking causes cancer" or "fracking causes earthquakes". The one I find the most humorous is fracking causes rivers to move". But, I am off topic.

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Well, so far the Global cooling deniers have been consistently wrong.....
so we've got that going for us....
And AOC says we only have 12 years (not 100) 'till the end. Dare to say I should be around to confirm that she is a fruit loop!
Simply repeating the same argument about what Time Magazine said over 30 years ago over and over again (which I debunked extensively) does not make it any stronger.

And I do not understand the obsession with a Junior Congresswoman. There are 235 Democrats in the House. Why post about her ad-nauseum? Given her position, she has very little actual political power.

You guys are spending so much time and effort arguing against an imaginary or absent opponent... I suppose it's easy to "win" a debate against someone who can't argue back and you can make say anything you want.
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Please re-read my post #2573.
What I wrote about cosmic rays and warming has prevailed since there was enough of a planet to call it Earth.
This and its cooling phases will prevail so long as there is a solar system.
Physics and geology know no time limits.
Well, if that's the case, why are you so concerned with the lake temperature in Michigan?

Really, you are conflating two separate things: 1) whether the earth is warming, and 2) what is causing it to warm. If you contend that solar activity is what's causing it to warm, that's a separate argument. But the solar thesis has been examined and mostly eliminated as a candidate. The rapidity of the current change far exceeds any pre-industrial historic caused. I even posted I nice diagram a few months ago showing this, but I will post it again:



OK, now there is a THIRD issue which is also being conflated in your argument against an imaginary opponent: 3) What warming will happen in the future?

THAT is the providence of computer models, Al Gore's warnings, etc.

THEN there is a FORTH issue: 4) what actions should be taken as a result of the projections. THAT'S where it gets into politics. But the problem is the denialists are putting the cart before the horse. They don't like what some politicians and personalities say about Issue 4, so they choose believe anything about items 1 and 2 that leads away from conclusions they don't like to items 3 and 4. Motivated reasoning.
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They don't like what some politicians and personalities say about Issue 4, so they choose believe anything about items 1 and 2 that leads away from conclusions they don't like to items 3 and 4. Motivated reasoning.
I think that being deeply suspicious of totalitarian "solutions" (see Agenda 21) is a perfectly legitimate point of argument. Simply put: my freedom and liberty is worth more than your need to feel valued and safe.

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I think that being deeply suspicious of totalitarian "solutions" (see Agenda 21) is a perfectly legitimate point of argument. Simply put: my freedom and liberty is worth more than your need to feel valued and safe.
I see you've been listening to right wing conspiracy theorists regarding Agenda 21. It's a nearly 30 year old non-binding resolution that urges international cooperation on the environment (and other matters). There are no "totalitarian solutions" contained in it. In fact, there are no solutions at all.

But your critique is a non-sequitur. Even if Agenda 21 was a plot to force everyone to live on collective farms and eat nothing but cabbage, that has literally no relationship whatsoever to global temperatures. Temperature is a simple basic fact, and it doesn't change because you dislike what someone wants to do about it.

Analogy: You set the temperature in your house to 72 degrees, but your wife turns it up to 74. You complain it's too hot. If your wife reasoned like you, she would simply deny the temperature ever went above 72 degrees (in fact it's going down!) and then claim you were planning a totalitarian plot to take away control of the thermostat. But no matter what she says about the temperature or your motivations for wanting to turn down the thermostat, that does not change the fact that it is 74 degrees in your house.
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Here is a thought....

"GREEN EGGS AND HAM" (by Doctor Seuss)

I AM SAM. I AM SAM. SAM I AM.

THAT SAM-I-AM! THAT SAM-I-AM! I DO NOT LIKE THAT SAM-I-AM!

DO WOULD YOU LIKE GREEN EGGS AND HAM?

I DO NOT LIKE THEM,SAM-I-AM.
I DO NOT LIKE GREEN EGGS AND HAM.

WOULD YOU LIKE THEM HERE OR THERE?

I WOULD NOT LIKE THEM HERE OR THERE.
I WOULD NOT LIKE THEM ANYWHERE.
I DO NOT LIKE GREEN EGGS AND HAM.
I DO NOT LIKE THEM, SAM-I-AM.

WOULD YOU LIKE THEM IN A HOUSE?
WOULD YOU LIKE THEN WITH A MOUSE?

I DO NOT LIKE THEM IN A HOUSE.
I DO NOT LIKE THEM WITH A MOUSE.
I DO NOT LIKE THEM HERE OR THERE.
I DO NOT LIKE THEM ANYWHERE.
I DO NOT LIKE GREEN EGGS AND HAM.
I DO NOT LIKE THEM, SAM-I-AM.

WOULD YOU EAT THEM IN A BOX?
WOULD YOU EAT THEM WITH A FOX?

NOT IN A BOX. NOT WITH A FOX.
NOT IN A HOUSE. NOT WITH A MOUSE.
I WOULD NOT EAT THEM HERE OR THERE.
I WOULD NOT EAT THEM ANYWHERE.
I WOULD NOT EAT GREEN EGGS AND HAM.
I DO NOT LIKE THEM, SAM-I-AM.

WOULD YOU? COULD YOU? IN A CAR?
EAT THEM! EAT THEM! HERE THEY ARE.

I WOULD NOT, COULD NOT, IN A CAR.

YOU MAY LIKE THEM. YOU WILL SEE.
YOU MAY LIKE THEM IN A TREE!

I WOULD NOT, COULD NOT IN A TREE.
NOT IN A CAR! YOU LET ME BE.
I DO NOT LIKE THEM IN A BOX.
I DO NOT LIKE THEM WITH A FOX.
I DO NOT LIKE THEM IN A HOUSE.
I DO NOT LIKE THEM WITH A MOUSE.
I DO NOT LIKE THEM HERE OR THERE.
I DO NOT LIKE THEM ANYWHERE.
I DO NOT LIKE GREEN EGGS AND HAM.
I DO NOT LIKE THEM, SAM-I-AM.

A TRAIN! A TRAIN! A TRAIN! A TRAIN!
COULD YOU, WOULD YOU ON A TRAIN?

NOT ON TRAIN! NOT IN A TREE!
NOT IN A CAR! SAM! LET ME BE!
I WOULD NOT, COULD NOT, IN A BOX.
I WOULD NOT, COULD NOT, WITH A FOX.
I WILL NOT EAT THEM IN A HOUSE.
I WILL NOT EAT THEM HERE OR THERE.
I WILL NOT EAT THEM ANYWHERE.
I DO NOT EAT GREEM EGGS AND HAM.
I DO NOT LIKE THEM, SAM-I-AM.

SAY! IN THE DARK? HERE IN THE DARK!
WOULD YOU, COULD YOU, IN THE DARK?

I WOULD NOT, COULD NOT, IN THE DARK.

WOULD YOU COULD YOU IN THE RAIN?

I WOULD NOT, COULD NOT IN THE RAIN.
NOT IN THE DARK. NOT ON A TRAIN.
NOT IN A CAR. NOT IN A TREE.
I DO NOT LIKE THEM, SAM, YOU SEE.
NOT IN A HOUSE. NOT IN A BOX.
NOT WITH A MOUSE. NOT WITH A FOX.
I WILL NOT EAT THEM HERE OR THERE.
I DO NOT LIKE THEM ANYWHERE!

YOU DO NOT LIKE GREEN EGGS AND HAM?

I DO NOT LIKE THEM, SAM-I-AM.

COULD YOU, WOULD YOU, WITH A GOAT?

I WOULD NOT, COULD NOT WITH A GOAT!

WOULD YOU, COULD YOU, ON A BOAT?

I COULD NOT, WOULD NOT, ON A BOAT.
I WILL NOT, WILL NOT, WITH A GOAT.
I WILL NOT EAT THEM IN THE RAIN.
NOT IN THE DARK! NOT IN A TREE!
NOT IN A CAR! YOU LET ME BE!
I DO NOT LIKE THEM IN A BOX.
I DO NOT LIKE THEM WITH A FOX.
I WILL NOT EAT THEM IN A HOUSE.
I DO NOT LIKE THEM WITH A MOUSE.
I DO NOT LIKE THEM HERE OR THERE.
I DO NOT LIKE THEM ANYWHERE!
I DO NOT LIKE GREEN EGGS AND HAM!
I DO NOT LIKE THEM, SAM-I-AM.

YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM. SO YOU SAY.
TRY THEM! TRY THEM! AND YOU MAY.
TRY THEM AND YOU MAY, I SAY.

sAM! IF YOU LET ME BE,
I WILL TRY THEM. YOU WILL SEE.

(... and he tries them ...)

SAY! I LIKE GREEN EGGS AND HAM!
I DO! I LIKE THEM, SAM-I-AM!
AND I WOULD EAT THEM IN A BOAT.
AND I WOULD EAT THEM WITH A GOAT...
AND I WILL EAT THEM, IN THE RAIN.
AND IN THE DARK. AND ON A TRAIN.
AND IN A CAR. AND IN A TREE.
THEY ARE SO GOOD, SO GOOD, YOU SEE!
SO I WILL EAT THEM IN A BOX.
AND I WILL EAT THEM WITH A FOX.
AND I WILL EAT THEM IN A HOUSE.
AND I WILL EAT THEM WITH A MOUSE.
AND I WILL EAT THEM HERE AND THERE.
SAY! I WILL EAT THEM ANYWHERE!
I DO SO LIKE GREEN EGGS AND HAM!
THANK YOU! THANK YOU, SAM I AM.

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I see you've been listening to right wing conspiracy theorists regarding Agenda 21.
I don't have a great need to "listen to right wing conspiracy theorists". I am one. Most "sustainability" arguments are predicated on Agenda 21 ideas.

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Wow! All caps!! Must be very serious....

Ossi is very right. So much humor, and so many treating it all to seriously. As Shakespear said: Me thinks you doth protest too much...
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I don't have a great need to "listen to right wing conspiracy theorists". I am one. Most "sustainability" arguments are predicated on Agenda 21 ideas.



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Wow! All caps!! Must be very serious....

Ossi is very right. So much humor, and so many treating it all to seriously. As Shakespear said: Me thinks you doth protest too much...
Nah just the way it copied...

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I posted the Great Lakes temps to show the decline in unaltered data since the huge El Nino that peaked in 2016.
If you would like to review a very extensive history of unaltered temp data just look up Tony Heller.

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There is a major problem with the chart. Warming has been exaggerated by those employed with a bias to keep the fraud going forward.

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Speaking of..............

get a life...
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Here's those crazy liberals at ConocoPhillips pushing climate change propaganda so they can get rich by keeping their stock price low and make sure that Trump doesn't get elected. And steal your freedom, obviously. Good thing people around here are too smart to fall for their liberal lies!

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