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Hey, you get to cherry pick your scientists and we get to cherry pick ours!
You probably believed the political experts 2 years ago who said the Donald Trump would never be President......
You aren't picking scientists. You are picking political commentators playing scientist. A common theme among climate denialists is that they are either scientists in completely unrelated disciplines, or they are making claims that are much smaller than political commentators present them as. Besides, I haven't seen any links to published research by denialists anywhere in this thread. Lots of blog posts and editorials. No research.

I followed 528 fairly closely during election season. They were actually very explicit that while their models showed Hillary had an edge, Trump had a very real chance of winning it. The problem was that the national vote was very well polled (and the election was +/- 1pt of the national polling aggregation), but polling in the midwest was of fairly low quality. So no, I didn't believe Trump would never be president (especially after the Wikileaks and Comey nonsense). In fact, I have an outstanding bet with my brother in law that he will be reelected. The stakes are a bottle of fine scotch.

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Oh, you mean like Bill Nye, the science guy? Get a grip!

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You keep arguing with someone else who isn’t present.

Never have I mentioned Bill Nye. He had a fun kids show 30 years ago, but I don’t find his voice particularly helpful today. He’s not a scientist but a TV personality.

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Oh, wait....darn, now I am convinced!

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In its various permutations, warmism tends to focus almost exclusively on effecting change through controlling behavior. Writ large, the various domains of climate change activism tend to behave like lifestyle oriented social movements, the dominating feature of which is---wait for it folks---social status. People who strongly identify with warmism embrace reform agendas that emphasize lifestyle changes which reflect their collective views of what a proper society should look like. Simply put, they want to "nudge" (to quote Cass Sunstein) their cultural enemies---the people who refuse to reflect and honor their values---to behave in ways that reassure them that their values, and therefore their social standing is society, are valid and superior. They argue that only by coercing people into acting right can the climate be "saved".

The inherent fallacy in this collective viewpoint is found in history. Historically when faced with delimmas like climate change, human societies invent new technologies to solve their problems. Unfortunately technological innovations don't play favorites and so people who are anxious that their values aren't being properly respected are often bereft of the tangible evidence they need to feel that they still matter.
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Hey, you get to cherry pick your scientists and we get to cherry pick ours!
You probably believed the political experts 2 years ago who said the Donald Trump would never be President......
To whom, sir, are you addressing?

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Everyone! It is sort of what a debate is all about. We hear all sides and pick our position.

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The naysayers will never convince the believers and the believers will never convince the naysayers.

None of us will be around in a 100 years to to know the outcome. So, no one will be able to say, "see, I told you so."

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ONCE MORE WITH FEELING:

It is absolutely irrelevant what the temperature is outside your window or whether you had a hot or cold season in your area of the world.
Please re-read my post #2573.
What I wrote about cosmic rays and warming has prevailed since there was enough of a planet to call it Earth.
This and its cooling phases will prevail so long as there is a solar system.
Physics and geology know no time limits.

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Ah, virtue signaling!
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Virtue Spending is infinitely worse than preaching.

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Hey, you get to cherry pick your scientists and we get to cherry pick ours!
You probably believed the political experts 2 years ago who said the Donald Trump would never be President......
Made the call and published it.
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