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post #2566 of 2918 (permalink) Old 05-28-2019, 04:41 PM
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bianchi is correct .....The verdict on global warming is still out. I live in the Bay Area, California and we just went through one of the coldest and rainy winters I can ever remember. The state broke records for cold weather and rain for May from Nor. Cal. to So. Cal. We just had snow in the Sierra Nevada Mountains last week. Summer is starting now. The climate can not be changed by any one nation. It would take the entire world making changes to address the issue.
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The jury is out for less and less all the time as the hoax is further revealed by sound science. Glacier action NOT related to the farce after all and many are advancing. We all read the same articles. I've seen this one many times in the past week. https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesta...Q#3f3641628921

Meanwhile WSJ says more marginal Republicans are converting due to . . . pandering to milenials . . who aren't saving money because the world will end (yet again) in 10 or 12 years, so why save. Party like it's 2030? Some 30 years of academic, PBS, One World, David Attenborough, and now even Disney, et al, indoctrination. Heck, even socialism and communism are being dusted off which haven't worked in pure form ANYWHERE (Europe is crony capitalist socialist - basically a welfare state funded by crony capitalism). But let's not let the facts get in the way of good emotion. Meanwhile more pundits are noting that the grand farce is just an end run for socialism - more government authoritarian control of our lives.
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The jury is out for less and less all the time as the hoax is further revealed by sound science. Glacier action NOT related to the farce after all and many are advancing. We all read the same articles. I've seen this one many times in the past week. https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesta...Q#3f3641628921

Meanwhile WSJ says more marginal Republicans are converting due to . . . pandering to milenials . . who aren't saving money because the world will end (yet again) in 10 or 12 years, so why save. party like it's 2030? Some 30 years of academic, PBS, One World David Attenborough, and now even Disney, et al, indoctrination. Heck, even socialism and communism are being dusted off which haven't worked in pure form ANYWHERE (Europe is crony capitalist socialist - basically a welfare state funded by crony capitalism) but let's not let the facts get in the way of good emotion. Meanwhile more pundits are noting that the grand farce is just an end run for socialism - more government authoritarian control of our lives.
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Global warming is still better than electing Hillary.....
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Global warming is still better than electing Hillary.....
So funny, and true. Anything is better than having Hillary as POTUS.
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Surface temps for the Great Lakes have been interesting.
But before posting it is worth recalling that the "Fear Crowd" has been pushing heat and drought.
Lake Michigan surface temp today: 53.8.
Same date in 2018: 60.7.
In 2017: 62.3.
Of course the high three years ago was due to the hot El Nino, which is still warm.
What's it going to be like when the El Nino cools off?

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The jury is out for less and less all the time as the hoax is further revealed by sound science. Glacier action NOT related to the farce after all and many are advancing. We all read the same articles. I've seen this one many times in the past week. https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesta...Q#3f3641628921

Meanwhile WSJ says more marginal Republicans are converting due to . . . pandering to milenials . . who aren't saving money because the world will end (yet again) in 10 or 12 years, so why save. Party like it's 2030? Some 30 years of academic, PBS, One World, David Attenborough, and now even Disney, et al, indoctrination. Heck, even socialism and communism are being dusted off which haven't worked in pure form ANYWHERE (Europe is crony capitalist socialist - basically a welfare state funded by crony capitalism). But let's not let the facts get in the way of good emotion. Meanwhile more pundits are noting that the grand farce is just an end run for socialism - more government authoritarian control of our lives.
That nearly five year old article was pretty soundly debunked by actual scientists. The data does not show what Mr. Taylor says it does.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.5da412eb004e

NASA, interpreting its own data, found a decrease in total sea ice during the very same period Talyor claims there was no reduction.

I also suggest you spend a bit more time actually talking to younger folks rather than making blind assumptions about what they do or do not believe, and what the motivations might be for their behavior. As a millenial, I have never talked to a single peer who claims not to be saving due to global warming. My personal savings rate is very high (50%+), but those I know who are not savings are failing to do so due to a lack of income or other unusual expenses. Absolutely nobody is making financial plans because they believe the world is going to end. In fact, those claiming the world is going to end are a tiny subset of those who weigh in on the climate, and is generally a misguided attempt by activists to encourage action by folks who doggedly claim there is no problem and nothing should be done.

Finally, It's amazing to me that after hundreds of posts, the climate denialists still can't tell the difference between climate and whether. It is absolutely irrelevant what the temperature is outside your window or whether you had a hot or cold season in your area of the world. Climate requires an understanding of what is happening in the entire world. If winter in your area was 5 degrees colder than average, it may be the case that in another part of the world is was 10 degree warmer. In the aggregate, things are warming, even if YOU don't see it in your weather forecast.

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"The Great Lakes Are Overflowing With Record Amounts Of Water"
--Washington Post, June 6.
No heat no drought.
The theory that actual climate change has been forced by periodic changes in the solar system has been confirmed over the last 30 years.
The new theory within this been the effect upon temps by cosmic rays.
During a solar maximum the Earth's magnetic field strengthens reducing the flux of cosmic rays. Less clouds more heating.
Then during the declines in solar activity the field reduces allowing more rays through, which increases the cloud coverage.
More clouds more cooling and more precipitation.
Solar activity is the lowest since the early 1900s.
Surface levels of the Great Lakes show very low during the exceptional heat and drought of the 1930s and into the 1940s.
And as the headline states lake levels are very high now.
The current run of the Sun's spotless days is out to 30. Doesn't happen that often.

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"The Great Lakes Are Overflowing With Record Amounts Of Water"
--Washington Post, June 6.
No heat no drought.

Surface levels of the Great Lakes show very low during the exceptional heat and drought of the 1930s and into the 1940s.
And as the headline states lake levels are very high now.
The current run of the Sun's spotless days is out to 30. Doesn't happen that often.


ONCE MORE WITH FEELING:

It is absolutely irrelevant what the temperature is outside your window or whether you had a hot or cold season in your area of the world.
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Yea, everybody quit looking at facts and believe the computer models!!
And please, show us the bicycle you ride to work to "save the planet".

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Yea, everybody quit looking at facts and believe the computer models!!
And please, show us the bicycle you ride to work to "save the planet".
I'm not telling anybody to look at computer models. The facts are that the earth has been warming. Plenty of posters here are debating that basic fact. If you want to get into predictions about the future or the reasons for that warming, that is a totally different conversation.

I do ride a bicycle to work actually, but not to save the planet. It's a time efficient way to get some exercise with two little kids dominating your time outside of work. I also drive two gas guzzling turbocharged cars like I stole them.
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Ah, virtue signaling!
Again, we shouldn't worry about the weather today, but believe what someone else 'guesses' that it will be in 20 or 50 years.
Go ahead.....

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Ah, virtue signaling!
Again, we shouldn't worry about the weather today, but believe what someone else 'guesses' that it will be in 20 or 50 years.
Go ahead.....
You guys seem to only hear what you want a hear. It’s like debating a chatbot that only has a dozen canned answers to reference.

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The theory that actual climate change has been forced by periodic changes in the solar system has been confirmed over the last 30 years.
The new theory within this been the effect upon temps by cosmic rays.
During a solar maximum the Earth's magnetic field strengthens reducing the flux of cosmic rays. Less clouds more heating.
Then during the declines in solar activity the field reduces allowing more rays through, which increases the cloud coverage.
More clouds more cooling and more precipitation.
Solar activity is the lowest since the early 1900s.
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Hey, you get to cherry pick your scientists and we get to cherry pick ours!
You probably believed the political experts 2 years ago who said the Donald Trump would never be President......

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