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I asked for peer reviewed research, you responded with a political cartoon and old magazine covers. You’ve confirmed my points.
This is the internet. We don't have to prove nothin' . . . If you need proof, look it up. I hope you won't think me too acerbic in this, but demanding proof in a discussion involving "climate science" conclusions always strikes me as oxymoronic. As a discipline, climate science has become so intensely politicized in recent years that expecting the peer review process within the discipline to have relevance is a bit fanciful. When you have an apparent majority of climate scientists politically aligned with a environmentalist social movement my sociological cynicism radar goes on full-alert. Simply put: When people strongly identify with the moral dogma of a lifestyle oriented social movement they necessarily abandon the kind of intellectual skepticism that scientific reasoning demands. They stop being scientists and become political activists. This has been happening within the climate science discipline for a long time now.

The wreckage of the climate science discipline is almost complete. It's politicization is so pervasive that I seriously doubt that any real skepticism of the kind Karl Popper talks about is possible. And if you can't accept that a theory can be proven wrong, then it becomes fatally easy to buy into all manner of decidedly shaky beliefs . . . such as insisting that algorithms exist that can reliably predict events in the distant future.
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I asked for peer reviewed research, you responded with a political cartoon and old magazine covers. You’ve confirmed my points.
This is the internet. We don't have to prove nothin' . . . If you need proof, look it up. <img src="http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/images/AlfaBB_2015/smilies/tango_face_smile.png" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" /> I hope you won't think me too acerbic in this, but demanding proof in a discussion involving "climate science" conclusions always strikes me as oxymoronic. As a discipline, climate science has become so intensely politicized in recent years that expecting the peer review process within the discipline to have relevance is a bit fanciful. When you have an apparent majority of climate scientists politically aligned with a environmentalist social movement my sociological cynicism radar goes on full-alert. Simply put: When people strongly identify with the moral dogma of a lifestyle oriented social movement they necessarily abandon the kind of intellectual skepticism that scientific reasoning demands. They stop being scientists and become political activists. This has been happening within the climate science discipline for a long time now.

The wreckage of the climate science discipline is almost complete. It's politicization is so pervasive that I seriously doubt that any real skepticism of the kind Karl Popper talks about is possible. And if you can't accept that a theory can be proven wrong, then it becomes fatally easy to buy into all manner of decidedly shaky beliefs . . . such as insisting that algorithms exist that can reliably predict events in the distant future.
We are through the looking glass here. Science is too politically biased to be valid, so instead we are to debate with political cartoons?

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In the early 1600s, the renaissance in physics was seriously threatened by powerful political forces. Then centered in the Vatican.
Which, of course, had the robust peer review of scripture.
The Solar System revolved around the Earth
Fortunately Galileo and Kepler prevailed.
Real physics will again prevail over authoritarian dogma.
As of 12:30 PM West Coast time today, this is well underway.

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We are through the looking glass here. Science is too politically biased to be valid, so instead we are to debate with political cartoons?

Well, I don't think that "climate science" is science. I think the point of the cartoons was to poke fun at the shuck-and-jive pretense of a scientific "methodology" that claims to be able to predict the future. Still and all, prediction remains inversely proportionate to time. That piece of the scientific method holds true. Algorithmic correlations reflective of confirmation bias---despite being famously useful for feeding the collective anxieties of True Believers---fortunately do not. Climate science has run hard aground, it's members have transformed themselves into high priests demanding blood sacrifices so the corn will grow . . .
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We are through the looking glass here. Science is too politically biased to be valid, so instead we are to debate with political cartoons?

Well, I don't think that "climate science" is science. I think the point of the cartoons was to poke fun at the shuck-and-jive pretense of a scientific "methodology" that claims to be able to predict the future. Still and all, prediction remains inversely proportionate to time. That piece of the scientific method holds true. Algorithmic correlations reflective of confirmation bias---despite being famously useful for feeding the collective anxieties of True Believers---fortunately do not. Climate science has run hard aground, it's members have transformed themselves into high priests demanding blood sacrifices so the corn will grow . . .
Clearly you have not come to that conclusion based off your extensive review of published research, or you’d actually be able to point to specific methodology problems on specific studies. I don’t mean some blog with an alternate theory or grand conclusion for why the science is wrong, but actual specific problems with specific studies.

And even if climate science has become overcome by politics, surely you do not believe climate is a topic beyond scientific inquiry? If so, the solution to flawed and biased research should be unbiased and more helpful research- not some political footballs being thrown around.

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Well, at least someone got my point!

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Global warming is horse sh*****t.
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Keep taking down those straw men guys!

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Ah yes, the weather equals climate canard. An oldie but goodie. Meanwhile, arctic ice is at an all time low for this time of year.

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As history has shown, the planet can take care of itself. We don't need to save the planet, we need to save the humans. Climate is part of the planet and working together they can both wipe us out, or at least reduce our numbers enough to once again be insignificant. The question is, do we want to save the humans.

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I believe the geological period we're now enjoying is called an "interglacial".

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From my understanding our planet swings or should I say flips from roughly 12.5 C to 23 C ave temperatures and the hot side is more common then the cold side.

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Great Lakes ice cover extent:
I made a few notes, but don't know if March 9 was the maximum day, but it was close to it.
This year was 80.0% cover.
Same date in 2018 was 28.9%.
In 2017 it was 6.2%.
The later was low because of lingering effects from the El Nino warming, which is weather.
Numbers today are
8.2%, 5.8% and 0.4%.
Of interest is that geologically speaking, water in its solid state is called a mineral. With hexagonal crystallography.
The point is that the mineral only exists at below the freezing point at 32F.
Despite what the MSM insists, ice and snow are not caused by global warming

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