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"Bluebird" flies again (the boat)

I am well aware that this does not pertain to cars, yet it is heart rendering for me, and for all of us, that we used to play with Malcolm and Donald Campbell's, Dinky and Corgi toys of their wonderfully insane, mad if you want, quest for speed.

We all wished to be them

If you are a romantic like me, please watch and enjoy:

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I don't understand why they recovered and restored it, and then tested it.

Bit like restoring the Concorde that crashed and making it fly again.

Don't get me wrong, an awesome piece of kit, but according to what I've read he unfortunately made a mistake and did another run before the water had settled from his first run and this was against the agreed plans and supposedly caused the accident ... sad.

I guess every accident can be traced back to a human error ...
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Absolutely incredible news story.

My brother and I played with Dinky and Corgi toys when we were young.

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Thanks for posting, That was awesome. I remember the crash. I was 19 years old and the Campbells were national heroes. The word was that the boat was not designed to go as fast as Donald wanted to go and he took a big risk - a bit too big.
I knew the village of Coniston well. There was a pub called the Ship Inn that was a Hartleys house and my brother Geoff reckoned that they sold the best pint of Hartleys XB anywhere. It was a 2 hour drive from where we lived and Geoff would drive there in his 1275 Cooper S for a couple of pints on a saturday night.
I was a member of the National Sprint Association which was motorcycle drag racing but one at a time, against the clock. Donald Campbell was our president. As far as I know he did not ride motorcycles but he was proud to be associated with guys who were trying to go faster than anyone else. He was a great man.

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Pete, I am very pleased they raised it, found Donald's body, gave him a proper burial, and made it run again

There was only 1 Bluebird, 20 Concorde built, 19 left, that belong(e)d to AF and BA, non entities to me.

Campbell(s), was a hero then and now.

I still have the land racer Proteus (Corgi)

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I remember watching the films of his runs and the crash. He didn't understand just how much lift that vehicle would develop at those speeds, and where the center or pressure and CG of it should be. Either they didn't do wind tunnel testing, or didn't do it right.

Unlimited hydroplanes have the same problem, in that they occasionally flip at speed as well for the same problem, the boat design being unbalanced for the lift developed, always run at the ragged edge, and if something changes the very critical maximum angle of attack, the boat pitches up in a divergent/unstable manner.

In the case of the Bluebird, it didn't appear to hit a wave to change/increase the angle of attack, it just developed too much lift at the front and started to lift off, so to speak. Didn't end well.

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The land racer is in the Beaulieu National Motor Museum. I saw it in 2014 and it was much bigger than I expected.

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Pete, I am very pleased they raised it, found Donald's body, gave him a proper burial, and made it run again <img src="http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smilie" class="inlineimg" />

There was only 1 Bluebird, 20 Concorde built, 19 left, that belong(e)d to AF and BA, non entities to me.

Campbell(s), was a hero then and now.

I still have the land racer Proteus (Corgi)

Regards, Alberto
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Campbell’s own sister, Jean Wales, was said to be opposed to recovering his body as it is claimed he said to her, “skipper and boat stay together” should anything unfortunate ever happen to him
This is where I was coming from.
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I remember watching the films of his runs and the crash. He didn't understand just how much lift that vehicle would develop at those speeds, and where the center or pressure and CG of it should be. Either they didn't do wind tunnel testing, or didn't do it right.

Unlimited hydroplanes have the same problem, in that they occasionally flip at speed as well for the same problem, the boat design being unbalanced for the lift developed, always run at the ragged edge, and if something changes the very critical maximum angle of attack, the boat pitches up in a divergent/unstable manner.

In the case of the Bluebird, it didn't appear to hit a wave to change/increase the angle of attack, it just developed too much lift at the front and started to lift off, so to speak. Didn't end well.
I watched the crash films over and over and came to the same conclusion. I don't see a wave or a wake pitching the bow up. The boat was inherently unstable at that speed, the cg far too far back and I suspect the guys who rebuilt it understood that too. Two passes and back on the trailer was the smartest thing they could have done.

As a kid I built an 8 foot hydroplane. Came around for the second pass, hit a gust of wind and went airborne. I was lucky enough to walk (swim) away from from the crash. Salvaged the boat but never put it in the water again...

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I was all too familiar with early unlimited hydroplanes, as my father won two national championships in the late 50's as crew chief and engine supplier on Shanty (and sometimes Miss Wahoo) and Miss Bardahl.

He was always having an argument with the drivers about how the boat should be balanced, he wanting the cg further forward, and the drivers wanting it back, as for some reason it felt more stable to them. It was a typical problem. My father told them that were fooling themselves about that, that from an aero point of view for pitch stability, the cg had to be further forward. There is a well known picture of Miss Wahoo, a sister boat of Shanty, flying through the air about a foot above the water, perfectly stable, courtesy of my father's set up. (http://www.lesliefield.com/images/miss_wahoo_2.jpg)

He was correct, as after he went on to other jobs, the crews eventually moved the cg on Bardahl back, and in Washington, DC, it flipped, killing the driver. Needless to say, my father never returned to the business.

Thinking about that, I was of course reminded of the senseless death of Campbell; however, he was one brave man for that time and a hero to many for his efforts.

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Pete, I fully respect your sentiments. I read quite an exhaustive article to the extent of leaving

the boat and body together, but as the boat was brought up, If it had been me, I prefer this ending.

Regards, Alberto

PS. Happy family now!


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