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@factotum - I worked a career (Ret.) in big business in Eng & Risk/ESF&H; worked closely with legal on Legs & Regs issues. Indeed we did what made good business sense. We always grinned at how PR twisted things to sound different and yet vague. I can see where the past 10 years of blackmail has taken a toll on many businesses and they started to go soft in the face or unrelenting coercion. Rex Tillerson went soft in the head. I suspect that is ending.
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D. Trump has fixed the planet for us and saved billions that can be used for ACTUAL human benefit !

Hopefully, the DOJ is on the trail of the anarchists.
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I agree with all three of you. It is a money grab by people like Al Gore )and his phony film) speaking of carbon credits. Many on this board will disagree with us completely. This topic was on the board before.
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Thanks for posting Professor Carlin again !

You can hear the loony Lefties trying to shout him down from the back row.

What children.
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Here's a great site for factual info and news on this topic. CFACT - Or you could go to Salon or HuffPo like the true bleievers.
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When Hitler was coming to power he noticed many people were admiring the concept of socialism. So he included that word in his party's name. It fooled many back then and by your post it's still fooling some.

Oh, good grief. Nazism is essentially fascism in that both are one-party socialist systems where the state controls the means of production but allows property to remain in private hands. In the socialism orbit, fascism is considered to be the "right-wing of the left" with communism, where the state controls both property and the means of production, being positioned on the left. Historically, the hard-left hated fascism because they saw it as apostasy and a betrayal of the purity of Maxism/Leninism. In market-capitalist economic systems the phenomenon of "rent-seeking" which industry lobbying seeks special favors from government may appear to be a benign form of fascism, but it is almost always accompanied by authoritarian enforcement and protection of the special favors. This is in keeping with the socialist model where governments become increasingly authoritarian and even totalitarian as a way of maintaining an inherently flawed economic model that ultimately collapses due to incompatible internal contradictions (can we say V-e-n-e-z-u-e-l-a?). Market based capitalism is an inherently superior economic model but is antithetical to the kind of DeepState control beloved of climate change activists and sundry socialists.

Climate change politics, because of the above, is always focused on controlling human populations as a way of dealing with planet warming . . . or cooling . . . or?. . . Controlling populations is great for a totalitarian "New World Order" form of government, but solutions to carbon-based pollution have always been technological. Still, the left continues to be seduced by "Great Leap Forward" fantasies involving totalitarian control of populations. Don't think I want to ride that bus . . . or in that HOV lane.

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George Carlin really hit it out of the park with his comedy routine. There is nothing like comedy from a witty professional to bring an issue into perspective.

Modern environmentalism is the secular religion of the Left. Mother Earth worship has been around since the Druids. There is nothing new under the sun, only different sales pitches from hucksters.
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Modern environmentalism is the secular religion of the Left. Mother Earth worship has been around since the Druids. There is nothing new under the sun, only different sales pitches from hucksters.
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But can't we just do it for the children?

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Oh, good grief. Nazism is essentially fascism in that both are one-party socialist systems where the state controls the means of production but allows property to remain in private hands. In the socialism orbit, fascism is considered to be the "right-wing of the left" with communism, where the state controls both property and the means of production, being positioned on the left. Historically, the hard-left hated fascism because they saw it as apostasy and a betrayal of the purity of Maxism/Leninism. In market-capitalist economic systems the phenomenon of "rent-seeking" which industry lobbying seeks special favors from government may appear to be a benign form of fascism, but it is almost always accompanied by authoritarian enforcement and protection of the special favors. This is in keeping with the socialist model where governments become increasingly authoritarian and even totalitarian as a way of maintaining an inherently flawed economic model that ultimately collapses due to incompatible internal contradictions (can we say V-e-n-e-z-u-e-l-a?). Market based capitalism is an inherently superior economic model but is antithetical to the kind of DeepState control beloved of climate change activists and sundry socialists.

Climate change politics, because of the above, is always focused on controlling human populations as a way of dealing with planet warming . . . or cooling . . . or?. . . Controlling populations is great for a totalitarian "New World Order" form of government, but solutions to carbon-based pollution have always been technological. Still, the left continues to be seduced by "Great Leap Forward" fantasies involving totalitarian control of populations. Don't think I want to ride that bus . . . or in that HOV lane.
What is your gripe again?
I never claimed Nazism was or wasn't any form of g'ment. But I did ask if including the word "Socialist" in a party name means that party is actually socialist and offered the example of the PRC as evidence it doesn't.
Fascism in a few words is authoritarian corporatism.
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Fascism in a few words is authoritarian corporatism.[/QUOTE
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Too late, the debate.
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The 6/26/17 Washington Post:

"The chief cause of the acceleration (of sea level rise) was the melting of the Greenland ice sheet, which went from contributing under 5 percent of all sea level rise in 1993 to contributing over 25 percent in 2014, a new study found".

Add to that, the increased melting in the Antarctic.

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Historically, humans have relied on technological innovation to solve life-related sustainability problems. The environmentalist/warmist/climate-change movement, in contrast, focuses on using central planning to create ever more closely controlled societies. History has shown that central planning in its various forms serves to militate against the very kinds of technological innovations that actually will solve our problems. Simply put, government control and inventiveness don't work well together.

BTW: This is way off topic, Del, but when I worked at NASA back in the day, one of the producers in our film company had a hot-rod Morris Minor w/ a bunch of Speedwell and Downtown bits. I remember when he went on a location shoot in London he returned to the US with the equipment boxes filled with Downtown parts.
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Here's a great site for factual info and news on this topic. CFACT - Or you could go to Salon or HuffPo like the true bleievers.
Just keep throwing out propaganda links. Makes you look OH-SO Smart!

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