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Potential Increased US Customs Duties on Vintage Vehicle Imports of 25 Percent

This is an e-mail from my client Marshall Miller. He is an avid car collector and senior partner in the law firm Miller&Company P.C. His firm is directly engaged in representing client's on the issue of tariffs Trump is threatening to impose on the motor vehicle industry.

In my other life I am the senior partner in a law firm that is solely focused on import/export law. I have 48 years of experience in the area and have represented most of the motor vehicle manufacturers with US production facilities among a wide range of other industry segments. You can learn more about my firm at the website noted below.

It just occurred to me that the latest of President Trump’s trade actions against the motor vehicle industry, if it proceeds, will impact your company as vintage vehicle duties will have an added 25 %. A copy of our latest firm memorandum on the subject is linked here. If vehicles are imported under TIBs it is possible this new extra duty would be doubled to 50 percent if the vehicle is sold and the purchaser wishes to take delivery in the U.S.. I strongly urge you to consider preparing comments to be submitted by the deadline of June 22, 2018 requesting that vintage vehicles be exempted from this plan. We would be pleased to be of assistance. Please contact me at your earliest convenience by phone or email. Thank you.

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I see this is for "automotive parts" as well. I wonder how this will impact us ordering parts from places like Alfaholocs, Classic Alfa, and others....
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Although i see no harm in writing for clarification on the bill, given the law is about national security i am hard pressed to see how it would apply to parts and vehicles manufactured over 25 years ago.
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How is this about national security?

It really doesn't matter what that man does. The next President will erase everything this man has done.

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Looks like more Fake News.

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Although i see no harm in writing for clarification on the bill, given the law is about national security i am hard pressed to see how it would apply to parts and vehicles manufactured over 25 years ago.
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How is this about national security?

It really doesn't matter what that man does. The next President will erase everything this man has done.
The national security part is not about any particular item being a specific threat, it's about having a trade imbalance that could have a negative effect on our economy which is a security threat.

The guy got elected saying he was going to do exactly this, I don't know why anyone is surprised
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The macroscopic view is clearly evident: America in the immediate post-war years understood that nations damaged by the war would use tariffs as a way of shielding their recovering industries. This country was wealthy enough in the post-war years that the resulting trade imbalances, if not popular, could be understood and accommodated. Our trading partners became used to this structure, maintained it over decades, and now are "shocked-shocked" that Trump is advocating "fair-trade" relations which allow our goods to be sold in their markets at tariff rates that are similar to what we charge them for selling their goods in our market.

Trump says he doesn't want a trade war and is counting on a closed to the US marketplace to be a strong inducement to other countries' lowering their unbalanced tariffs. This, of course, upsets long-standing trade relationships which is why we're hearing all the pissin' and moanin' from the G7 members. On this Trump has really rolled the dice.

The microscopic view has some sharp edges. We are right to fear the long-term consequence of a trade-war with ratcheting tariffs and closing markets. One huge problem is how short-term solutions (higher domestic tariffs) can become institutionalized. High tariffs function to create protected industries and markets whose recipients of such tariff largess turn to "rent-seeking" as a way of protecting themselves from "foreign competition". If this happens vintage car owners in the US are going to be in a world of hurt. Many of us regularly do business with UK and other European parts vendors, enjoying great prices, almost non-existent import duty costs, and quick turn-around times. If you are importing parts for you own use (i.e., not for resale) US Customs doesn't charge any customs duty on shipments under $2000.00US. If high tariffs become permanent maintaining our cars will become a good bit more expensive, a reality that will almost certainly be reflected parts availability, sales values and ultimately marketplace availability. Tariffs are taxes and taxes can kill marketplaces.
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Good points. Trump has been trying to reduce protectionism against the US.
If countries want free trade just declare it.
NAFTA was an agreement amongst bureaucrats that kept the central bank privilege of currency depreciation. Which with the C$ and peso weakening penalized the US.
Free trade with pegged currencies would be the best choice.
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This is just a letter from lawyers trolling companies to have them panic...
Nothing to do with reality.
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This is just a letter from lawyers trolling companies to have them panic...
Nothing to do with reality.

I hope you are right. And, if you are, I'll be the first one doing a Snoopy dance in celebration. Nobody wants the kind of ossified markets with substandard goods nobody wants that accompany high tariffs.

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The national security part is not about any particular item being a specific threat, it's about having a trade imbalance that could have a negative effect on our economy which is a security threat.

The guy got elected saying he was going to do exactly this, I don't know why anyone is surprised
BAH! It's not a security threat. Someone has chosen to use that word to create panic. I didn't say I was surprised.

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Good points. Trump has been trying to reduce protectionism against the US.
If countries want free trade just declare it.
NAFTA was an agreement amongst bureaucrats that kept the central bank privilege of currency depreciation. Which with the C$ and peso weakening penalized the US.
Free trade with pegged currencies would be the best choice.
Takes arbitrary decisions out of transactions.
The relatively high value of the dollar is in part due to the huge government budget deficit. Stop borrowing from abroad and the exchange rate will adjust.

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This is just a letter from lawyers trolling companies to have them panic...
Nothing to do with reality.
This is how the 25% steel tariffs got started. And they will lead to nothing good. They hurt US manufacturers and consumers and could be the start of a trade war that nobody will benefit from in the end.
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The good thing is that US steel producers will ramp up production for customers who don't want to pay the duty on imported steel....
The US worker wins !
Or countries can reduce their outrageous tariffs on US goods and negotiate a better tariff rate on their goods sold to the US....
The US worker wins again !
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Alfa Romeo is a case study on what protectionism yields.

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