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The Paul Walker crash

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Too much money, too much car.
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Too much money, too much car.
Neither one of those comments are at all fair. Both Roger and Paul were accomplished "race car" drivers. Just because these guys had more money that most of us, does not mean that they did not know what they were doing.

If the car had 9 year old tires as the writer states, that would be reason enough to cause a crash.
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Old tires ARE dangerous; my wife has a 328i she rarely drives (bought it new in 1998 and as of today it has 68780 miles on it). I let the Michelins get 5 years old because she'd only put perhaps 7,000 miles on them in 5 years. She went driving on a misty day and spun the car on a cobbled intersection at about 25 mph. Yes, the 98 has traction control.

We all really need to think about this because most of us drive our cars so few miles and 14 inch tires are harder and harder to find. The temptation to just keep those old tires with zero wear is just overwhelming.

Be careful out there....
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Neither one of those comments are at all fair. Both Roger and Paul were accomplished "race car" drivers. Just because these guys had more money that most of us, does not mean that they did not know what they were doing.

If the car had 9 year old tires as the writer states, that would be reason enough to cause a crash.
Bull *****!! "Stupid is as stupid does"!

It`s called culling the herd! And the world needs a serious culling!
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Gee Richard. I'm sure you have all the inside information on the accident.

Culling the herd, huh? You of all people should have a much better understanding of accidents than the average person.
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I think the author of the article is spot on about the dangers of old tires, but he perhaps oversimplifies things a bit by placing virtually all the blame on the tires. Roger Rojas and Paul Walker really should have known better and double checked the age of the tires before putting any serious energy into them. But since the car had just been delivered via flatbed the day before, I'm sure excitement got the better of them and they lost sight of something that so many people lose sight of, and they paid the ultimate price for it.

There is reference in the article to people just reading reviews on TireRack; have any of you ever done that? I have, and I'm always amazed at often people comment on how much better the new tires are than the old ones they replaced. They're quieter, they grip better in the wet, they ride better, initial turn in is better, etc. Of course the new ones are better at all of that.... the old ones were OLD!! To me, that just shows how little people really do understand, and think about, their tires.
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Also what happened to feeling what the car's grip level is. Old tires means hard rubber which means low grip, and a driver that is aware should feel that, especially in the dry. Unfortunately when going for a hoon with a mate, bravado takes over ...

Anyway it is the owner/drivers responsibility. A pointless accident. I bet accidents happen quite often on garage queen supercars all the time, maybe not with as drastic consequences though ...
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Tires cause accidents?

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So there's never been a tire failure that has caused an accident?

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So there's never been a tire failure that has caused an accident?
Ssshhhhhh...... you never know when a domestic manufacturer of an absurdly popular SUV and their tire supplier might be listening!! I'm not naming names, but both start with the letter "F".
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Sorry, lining up with RJ on this.
Select your rubber carefully then.......
Oh a blow out has NEVER, EVER Occurred due to a faulty design?, a Delamination has never occurred due to faulty design. Firestone on Explorers ring a bell? Do some research.

This case is different and I get it. They never should have punched it on those tires on that car. But when you state "Tires don't cause accidents" that's just ignorance.

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Oh a blow out has NEVER, EVER Occurred due to a faulty design?, a Delamination has never occurred due to faulty design. Firestone on Explorers ring a bell? Do some research.

This case is different and I get it. They never should have punched it on those tires on that car. But when you state "Tires don't cause accidents" that's just ignorance.
As you yourself said this is a completely different issue.

Other than the Firestone/Ford incident almost ALL tyre related accidents are caused by driver or operator, ie. running them too low on pressure causing too higher heat and failure, curbing them causing sidewall weakening, etc.

This particular accident was caused by a driver showing off and making a mistake IMO. Sure the tyres might have been old and hard, but remove the showing off bravado and the driver would have felt the lack of grip and accounted for it, but unfortunately he was busy impressing his mate Paul in a challenging to drive supercar (note this is not the first Porsche Carrera GT related death).
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