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08-19-2019 03:04 PM
ALFAB4U People need to do what they love. More power to you. (I think you'll get a good price.)
08-19-2019 01:21 PM
cavilry That is definitely a story I'd love to have! Unfortunately, while my wife supports my love of motorsports, she has no interest in it. And frankly, I'm a bit of a scatter brain when it comes to hobbies and the one my wife has gotten behind the most is surfing. This means that we most often load up in the 1968 VW Bus (I rebuilt that one myself) and cruise to the water.

I don't know why, but for some reason my desire to be at the track has dwindled. Perhaps it was the large (forced) gap between getting my car done that let the flame burn out, but I'd rather be out in the woods or down at the water these days. I was a diehard gear head from my first dirt bike (10 years old) through my rebuilding of old Full-Sized Jeeps and vintage Honda motorcycles in my late teens and early 20's. It carried me through to laboring on the Alfa through my mid-20s but something snuffed out the flame.

My daily driver is a 2009 John Cooper Works Mini Cooper S and I get enough kicks driving over the Santa Cruz mountains every day to work. I still enjoy cruising to morning car meets when time allows to gawk at the eye candy, but I can do that in my Bus and still be accepted in most Cars 'n Coffee lots.

Kid number 2 is coming down the pipeline (poor turn of phrase) and I need to make tough calls to whittle down "MY" hobbies and focus on "OUR" hobbies. If I'm honest with myself, I don't think I have the drive to turn us into a track family.
08-19-2019 12:37 PM
ALFAB4U Good on Ya!
Very early in my teaching career I bought my 1st GTV, a '73 that was around $6500 new out of Peter Satori's shop in Pasadena. I'd still have it if a Cadillac hadn't shortened it significantly 20 years later. Totaled, got I got $10K for it from the insurer (not including medical). I bought it back for $50, stripped all the good stuff off it including Ward and Deanne springs and a Dave Vegher motor. The 2/3's of the shell that was viable got sold to Alfa Ricambi for $100 and shipped to N. Italy.
A couple months later in '93 I found a nice '74 for $9K, bought it, put the good stuff on it and finished off my teaching career in it. Both cars were daily drivers and AROSC Time Trial cars. At retiring in 2006 I sold my '74 to my middle son (family discount) and bought a '71 out of Arizona for $20K. That car required a new motor after about 10 years of time trialing ...with my son and I trading race positions...on the various AROSC tracks. The new motor installation quickly led to a bare metal restoration. Too much $? I don't know about that.
My wife and I always had a GTV. We also had 5 kids, 3 boys and 2 girls.
The three boys took an interest in driving the Alfas...sometimes on dates, sometimes just to drive. As mentioned one still drives with me at the tracks...and he takes my 5 yr old grandson (in his Recaro youth seat), out for spins in the mountains. How does a family put a tag on that? We had other cars for getting the family about. First a '74 Berlina (2 kids and a baby to Yellowstone and back), then a Plymouth Voyager (2 teens and 2 kids and again a Rocky Mountain sojourn) and finally a Chevy Suburban (5 mixed teens and kids up to Glacier to Vancouver and down the West Coast back).
My son's GTV and mine could go for $35K-$60K but they won't...they're not for sale, not for a long time...
Maybe something like that is in the cards for you too.

P.S. We were at the San Marino Motor Classics for the last 4 years and have been asked what we'd sell them each for. We always say too high a quote, BUT a few people seemingly entertain the idea and leave their #.
08-19-2019 11:29 AM
cavilry Howdy all, I hope the summer has been treating you well!

After some heavy soul-searching, I've dropped the price down to $60,000, which is basically my "wait and see" price. I am hoping someone will come along for whom having all of the work done, and done right, will be worthwhile. That was what I was after, fixing everything so I didn't have to worry about rust, motor fatigue, synchros, wiring, tuning headaches, etc. etc. etc.

Until that someone comes along, I'll keep enjoying the monthly quick zip around the mountain roads and staring longingly at the car in the garage.
07-24-2019 03:25 PM
ossodiseppia
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Actually, it does, in my case. And maybe for you too, but time will tell.
I now have had 5 roundtails and wish I had my first bondo beautiful 1969. I made that car perfect with my soul in it, just as I have the current THREE. My current cars are all better, but my soul was in the first. The young almost never listen and are welcome to make their own mistakes. That is what being young is, a life of good and bad decisions awaits.
My cars are all better than what I see except Ossodiseppias, but still not sure if Brian drives his. Little friendly jab there amigo Brian.
You see my car in my avatar. Who knows if it is still around. Sold it to someone for my brothers roundtail. MISTAKE!
Thank you for the kudos, Wes. I feel certain your cars are as perfect as they can be.

I drive the car, occasionally. I've put 1000 miles on it since getting it back on the road. I don't like car shows, so I'll more than likely never show it. My drives are primarily in the morning when it's cool out. Some of the time, its a 25 minute drive to the gas station to get some ethanol free gas.
07-24-2019 03:15 PM
Dr.G Actually, it does, in my case. And maybe for you too, but time will tell.
I now have had 5 roundtails and wish I had my first bondo beautiful 1969. I made that car perfect with my soul in it. The young almost never listen if they are like me, and are welcome to make their own mistakes. That is what being young is, a life of good and bad decisions awaits.

You see my car in my avatar. Who knows if it is still around. Sold it to someone for my brothers roundtail. MISTAKE!
07-24-2019 08:33 AM
cavilry
cavilry

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Let me know in a couple decades if you regret selling it.
Of course I will! I regret the thought of it today. That doesn't necessarily make it the wrong decision.
07-24-2019 08:22 AM
pinshaw “Hey, hon, BAT auction bombed. Maybe the AlfaBB will be a more sympathetic venue,...” lol
Sorry, can’t help but think you are shaking your head at this point. My sympathies.

I will add that my deep rooted love of Alfa’s was growing up with my Dads 67 GTV. My brother n I would climb in the back, my dad would slide the seat back, n off we’d go. As I got older I’d sit up front n shift for him as he drove to work. My stepmom, sitting in the back, was always amazed I could tell when to shift by listening to the engine. I was 8 n I still have that car, 48 years later.

I’ve got 3 boys, all who were raised around me racing the GTV, catching lizards at the track n causing havoc as only 3 boys can mastermind. I guess what I’m trying to say is memories are priceless n no amount of money will ever replace the experience you share together. Your passion is contagious n your children will absorb it, n laugh together about it ( with you n at you ) n remember it. Ive been lucky to have so many surround cars, motorcycles, surfing n camping. You may think it’s selfish to keep it but I’d say from my experience that it’s far from it. Might surprise you later on how lucky you were that it didn’t find a new home. Life is funny that way. Cheers.
07-24-2019 08:18 AM
Dr.G Let me know in a couple decades if you regret selling it.
07-24-2019 06:56 AM
cavilry
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Living in Santa Cruz an obvious choice for you is the auction at Pebble Beach. Good advice I think on toughing up chappie. Millennials whine, and whining is not winning. The WW2 generation just toughed it out, and kept smiling as they kept working. Lots you and I can learn from them. Other people with average pocketbooks have been screwed too. Take a quicker sale for less money or hang onto it for a chance for more. Take your lumps and move on.

OR:

Park it at your parents, and buy a used four door. Honda, Toyota etc. You will age a few years, the remorse will lesson, and you will not regret selling something for mere dollars you put so much into.
I regret selling my first Alfa as do many others. You probably will first ignore me, but in two decades wish you had listened.

Writing those checks was tough wasn't it, but you are not alone.
Trust me when I say I am not your typical millennial, whatever that means. I don't believe many people would classify me as whiny...at least I hope not. I can't really state my position any more clearly: I put X into my car and unless I can get Y, I won't sell it. Whether people are willing to pay Y is totally out of my control or, frankly, concern. At some point someone will say "hey, that's the car I want and I'd rather save some money and time by having the work already done!" When that happens, someone will get the car they want and I will get the money I feel is warranted. And if that doesn't happen, provided our circumstances don't change, I'll just enjoy the car on the odd weekend I get to take it out.

I have my daily driver modern car (and I bought my wife her nice comfy SUV) and that's kind of the point, I can't justify a "fun" car that the family can't enjoy together. I was originally looking to sell my 1968 VW Bus I rebuilt myself, but I realized that is something we can all enjoy as a family. The Alfa is my "selfish" car and it's amazing how fast (at least for me) the desire to be selfish fades once you have a child.
07-23-2019 06:11 PM
Steve105 What does the market want more of? restored cars? modified cars/hybrid? I think it changes with time.
Some companies only restore cars to sell, while others only build 'to order' hybrid/modified cars.
The mildly modified cars come with statements like original parts come with the car(wheels, engine etc) to entice the restorer to buy it to turn it back to original. There are tides of original parts flowing around the world where people are trying to reinstate their car to original specifications. Some buyers are buying to enjoy/invest to later pass on to family rarely selling, can easily sell if they really have to the largest possible market to the people that want a restored car/investment car.
Cars like your car highly modified are part of Alfa Romeo culture it sometimes is really popular and sometimes it's not. Since most people want to personalize their car their way using good repairers as you have adds value, so good luck in selling your car.
07-23-2019 05:30 PM
Dr.G Living in Santa Cruz an obvious choice for you is the auction at Pebble Beach. Good advice I think on toughing up chappie. Millennials whine, and whining is not winning. The WW2 generation just toughed it out, and kept smiling as they kept working. Lots you and I can learn from them. Other people with average pocketbooks have been screwed too. Take a quicker sale for less money or hang onto it for a chance for more. Take your lumps and move on.

OR:

Park it at your parents, and buy a used four door. Honda, Toyota etc. You will age a few years, the remorse will lesson, and you will not regret selling something for mere dollars you put so much into.
I regret selling my first Alfa as do many others. You probably will first ignore me, but in two decades wish you had listened.

Writing those checks was tough wasn't it, but you are not alone.
07-23-2019 04:58 PM
redlinewins
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Cavilry - You have nothing to apologize for. I admire your character and your GTV. Best of luck
Couldn't agree more.
07-23-2019 03:16 PM
Matt D Cavilry - You have nothing to apologize for. I admire your character and your GTV. Best of luck
07-23-2019 07:38 AM
cavilry Thank you all so very much for the insight and feedback! I will reach out to Paul and see what he says. I'll also get going on some better photos (thanks BaT "Premium" services).

Apologies if I came across rude in earlier posts...I may be a bit touchy on the subject I wrestled with selling my car for months, then tiptoed around BaT before finally nervously diving in head first. I was pretty darn disappointed and stressed with the results, and the idea of forcing myself to pursue other avenues to sell the car was daunting. Luckily my wife has been supportive and understanding throughout the process and has never once asked me to sell the car...I just know that it's the right decision for the family.

Thanks again, all!
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