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08-08-2019 05:17 PM
GV27
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Originally Posted by Jim G View Post
Seller probably looked at the build date and not the model year date.
Most likely. Discussions around that subject have come up before. I believe most model year 1990 cars were build in 1989. Mine was - in September.
08-08-2019 04:39 PM
Jim G
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Originally Posted by Alfar7 View Post
I have what was sold to me as a 1990 Spider with Motronic FI & a serpentine belt for the AC & PS.???
Seller probably looked at the build date and not the model year date. If the engine had the 1990 crank pulley on it. You can just about name your on price for it. As its a one year only pulley.
08-08-2019 01:13 PM
GV27 No PS in 1990. I am convinced that not all 1990s were created equal, but that would be a pretty big change!
08-08-2019 01:12 PM
pantera928 Sounds like either a 1990 that was modified to a S4 set up or a you have a later model.

A 1990 looks like a 1986 thru 1989 model but has the Motronic like the 1991 and later.

If that is the case, the belt I am referring to is not the one for you.
08-08-2019 12:31 PM
Alfar7
1990

I have what was sold to me as a 1990 Spider with Motronic FI & a serpentine belt for the AC & PS.???
08-08-2019 10:08 AM
Jim G
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Originally Posted by Alfar7 View Post
It`s a pain in the a$$.
Be sure there`s clearance with the belts. Placing it too high on the water pump can cause seriously reduced clearance with the serpentine belt.
The 1990 model year does not use the serpentine belt. Same belt system as the 1989 and earlier cars.
08-08-2019 07:58 AM
Alfar7
Installing the hose

It`s a pain in the a$$.
Be sure there`s clearance with the belts. Placing it too high on the water pump can cause seriously reduced clearance with the serpentine belt.
08-07-2019 04:46 PM
Jim G
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Originally Posted by GV27 View Post
Not on mine but I did find it at the end of the appendix. Slide A13 has a breakdown of symbols and notation. * does indeed indicate air conditioning.
Depends on which edition microfiche you have.
08-07-2019 04:43 PM
GV27
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Originally Posted by Jim G View Post
The symbol meanings are done the first column on the fiche. 3rd or 4th box I think.

The * means A/C. In typical Alfa/Fiat fashion. They reversed the parts numbers on the microfiche.
Not on mine but I did find it at the end of the appendix. Slide A13 has a breakdown of symbols and notation. * does indeed indicate air conditioning.
08-07-2019 12:53 PM
Jim G
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Originally Posted by GV27 View Post
The interesting thing about that is that my copy of the USA dealer microfiche shows an entirely different number. It shows 2 p/n's actually - I think 10 is probably with A/C? I can't find any clue about what exactly the * means.....
The symbol meanings are done the first column on the fiche. 3rd or 4th box I think.

The * means A/C. In typical Alfa/Fiat fashion. They reversed the parts numbers on the microfiche.
08-07-2019 05:34 AM
spiderserie4 well, that IS good to know, plus it is OEM quality.
Thanks for following up, Chris!

just noticed that the Gates 20873 coolant hose, lists that alfa number (60520957) in the interchange PN list, although the hose looks rather too simple in my mind....
(IF it fitted, that would be a great source closer to home for you guys)
08-06-2019 02:58 PM
pantera928 This just a public service to all who own US spec 1990 Alfa Spiders with A/C, all who have sold me or tried to sell me the wrong lower radiator hose and all interested in getting the correct hose.

I also want to say thanks to all who contributed to the discovery of this hose

This hose is different than all of the ones I have seen on websites until now. I bought one and received it and it is exactly what came on the car originally down to the manufacturers stamp. See photos attached.

The hose on the left is correct hose. The one on the right is part number 605-62912 which I believe will work on a 1991 and newer spider when they moved the A/C compressor and added power steering.

Below is a link to the site that has the correct lower radiator hose for that car. The Alfa part number is 605-20957, not 605-62912

https://www.alfa-onlineshop.de/kuehl...988-1993-18679
07-18-2019 10:01 AM
pantera928 Dom
So, both sites show the same usage for two different part numbers. Hmmm...
Looking at the photos, they two parts are definitely different if the the photos are correct and the 60520957 actually looks like the correct one.
I took a chance and ordered one. Lucky that i knew how to say United States in German or I could never have figured my way around that site. Everything was in German.
WE shall see.

Chris
Everyone(not just Vick) in the United States shows the same hose. I have contacted over 10 different vendors here and educated most of them on the differences. All their hoses work just fine with a 1991 and newer car but they list them as 1990 and up. A couple of them though did know exactly what I was talking about but could not get the part.
07-18-2019 12:47 AM
spiderserie4
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Originally Posted by GV27 View Post
The interesting thing about that is that my copy of the USA dealer microfiche shows an entirely different number. It shows 2 p/n's actually - I think 10 is probably with A/C? I can't find any clue about what exactly the * means.....
you'd think the * has to be A/C cars, well I would! (the microfiche must have a key somewhere to explain)

the first hose pn, 60520957 listed here as 88-93 with AC:
https://www.alfa-onlineshop.de/kuehl...988-1993-18679

Second hose pn, 60562912: alfissimo shows this also as 88-93 with AC:
https://alfissimo.com/home/1422-radi...condition.html

so that clears that up I suppose ......huh?!
07-17-2019 08:26 PM
GV27 Well, I only rebutted him about the ends. What's in the middle is the trick and he's absolutely right - just finding one with the right ends does you no good if the shape between doesn't fit. Otherwise you could most likely just go down to your local Advance Auto and find one with the correct end dimensions.

I do understand that Alfa's legendary attention to precision in documentation - especially during transition years - likely precludes the right part number being paired with an inaccurate drawing , but it may be worth considering.

But look, do you want to pin down a part number that someone has already told you is NLA or do you want to find a replacement hose for your car? If the former, then by all means keep analyzing parts diagrams. If the latter, you have been given two possible leads in this thread. Neither is a sure thing - both might be long shots - but a lot more likely to get you the part you need than pouring over old suspect diagrams.

First - my suggestions. My old note says that the correct hose was mislabeled as "non-A/C" and likely came from Vick. Vick lists exactly that part which is an awfully weird part if you think about it. Hardly any non-A/C spiders were sold in 1990 in the US. Which is why they still have the part I suppose: nobody needs it. But what if it's just mislabeled in their bin and nobody has figured it out? It's not like these outfits have '90 Spiders laying around to check for fit, what's in the database has to be assumed to be true until proven otherwise.

Second, divotandtralee has a stash of unidentified Alfa radiator hoses that he's willing to search through and if he finds a match sell you for cheap. You should consider taking him up on that kind offer.

In both cases your course of action is clear if you actually want to find a replacement hose: remove your old hose and photograph it from a few angles send them to Vick, send them to divotandtralee, send them to Classic Alfa and see if anyone has something that looks like a match. A hose listed as 1990 that looks even vaguely like yours has a high likelihood of working.
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