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07-01-2019 02:27 PM
PFCDexter
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Originally Posted by alfavirusnz View Post
I`ve never had the need to use first gear for anything more than start off and I have by habit always placed the gearbox into second before placing in first in any car I drive.
I certainly donít need to put my modern cars in another gear before using first but I do on my 74 GTV. My mechanic gave me good advice to use 4th gear instead of 2nd since 2nd gets the most use and wear already.
06-28-2019 10:04 AM
alfettaparts2 Abeasley. Good to hear you felt positive results. I think another thing to consider is what oil you are replacing and how old is it. Obviously if you replace crappy oil with anything of quality your going to feel an improvement. Maintenance has improved on these cars as the value has increased however owners still want to cut costs on things like oil price.
06-28-2019 09:27 AM
abeasley I figured I'd chime in with my 2 cents worth of information. I refilled my 1988 with Redline 75/90NS and I noticed a significant difference in the shift quality. Before I was rarely able to get a good shift into 2nd without a grind (I know my trans needs rebuilt), but with Redline I very rarely get any grind at all. The entire shift process feels smoother in general. Much better than I expected!
06-28-2019 08:48 AM
alfettaparts2 Alfavirusnz. We purchase redline from a supplier in Melbourne. If you want to try it Pm me for there contact details.

On the redline oil we have Tried it in maybe 100 105,s and alfettas by now. Road cars and race cars. On rebuilt boxes and ones with worn synchros to people just wanting to try it and I canít say itís any better than many other oils we use. We build and maintain many race boxes and I would suggest the biggest impact on function and wear and tear is how ham fisted you are. People can destroy gearbox parts in a couple of races.

I have been using penrite but switched to redline in my track car. I have rebuilt the gear box now I have to get to the track so I can evaluate the redline in my own car. Anyway you know what they say about *******sí and oils.
06-28-2019 06:33 AM
Jim G
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Originally Posted by Del View Post
Most of us with 164s have run the factory recommended ATF lube (for the US market) in the transaxle with great success for many many thousands of miles. I wonder how that would work in some of these other transmissions?
164's use the Borg Warner designed gearbox which uses brass synchro's. I works completely different from the Porsche style gearbox.

The Borg Werner design is the same style the early 750 Giulietta's used.
06-28-2019 06:16 AM
GV27
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Originally Posted by alfavirusnz View Post
I might be a bit thick but why do you need to put synchro on first? I can`t see the necessity and how it would improve the car. I`ve never had the need to use first gear for anything more than start off and I have by habit always placed the gearbox into second before placing in first in any car I drive.
Well sure - I guess you could argue that synchros aren't NEEDED at all. With the right technique consistently applied you don't strictly need them. But in day-to-day driving they most certainly are a big improvement for comfort and ease of use. That's all this is. I always touch another gear before going into first at a stop too, but sometimes it would be nice not to. I drive a lot of mountain roads and often drop down to first for uphill hairpins. I do find it pretty easy to double-clutch it in so again, it's not strictly NEEDED - but it would be nice if it had a syncro on it. EDIT: please be very clear that I mean a bi-directional syncro. I do know it has once from the factory (see below).

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Originally Posted by alfettaparts2 View Post
Nobody has added a synchro to first gear. It’s a modification to the first gear synchro. The original post didn’t make that clear which is why I originally asked what he meant.
Yeah Richard made that quite clear in post 5. Glad we got that cleared up.
06-27-2019 10:48 PM
alfettaparts2
First gear

Nobody has added a synchro to first gear. Itís a modification to the first gear synchro. The original post didnít make that clear which is why I originally asked what he ment.
06-27-2019 07:08 PM
alfavirusnz I might be a bit thick but why do you need to put synchro on first? I can`t see the necessity and how it would improve the car. I`ve never had the need to use first gear for anything more than start off and I have by habit always placed the gearbox into second before placing in first in any car I drive.
On the subject of oil we always use Amsoil gear oil and it does make a great difference positively - this goes into all our classics from `62 Fiat 500, to old Lancias, to our Ferrari. Redline is not available over here but Amsoil through a local retailer is.
06-27-2019 06:31 PM
Mauricedean See alfar7 post - Richard rebuilt trans and did mod _ it works well- 2 nod spider I've rebuilt from ground up and best trans ever
06-27-2019 05:25 PM
alfettaparts2 I’m fully aware of the first gear ‘fix’. Semantics but you didn’t have synchro fitted to first gear. You had it replaced. Hence my question.
06-27-2019 04:48 PM
Del Most of us with 164s have run the factory recommended ATF lube (for the US market) in the transaxle with great success for many many thousands of miles. I wonder how that would work in some of these other transmissions?
06-27-2019 04:41 PM
60sRacer
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Originally Posted by alfettaparts2 View Post
Which gearbox did you have a synchro fitted to first gear?
See the thread "First Gear Fix" in the stickies section.

Robert
06-26-2019 12:33 PM
ghnl I agree - it isn't a magic elixir that'll fix worn synchros. But it is also worth running it for a few hundred miles and then changing it again (best done after a long drive while the oil is warm). This sometimes helps to get all the old 'wrong' oil flushed out.
06-26-2019 10:14 AM
180OUT When I bought my Super from NL it had a seriously bad 2nd gear syncro. Adding Redline NS gear definitely helped but, as expected, didn't solve the problem If you have a bad 2nd gear syncro it helps to know how to double clutch. Then you won't get grinding and you'll amaze your friends with your dexterity . . .

The real difference came when we installed a close-ratio transmission I had sitting around for a long time. I've driven Alfas for many years but had always used generic 90w gear lube. Changing to Redline NS made a significant difference in a 'box with fresh syncros. The best thing I can say about the Redline gear lube is that there is a discernable difference in tactile feel going up or down the gears. The Alfa gearbox uses, to quote an old manual . . . "Porsche style balk-ring design" syncros. Simply put, there is a lot less "balk" with the Redline lube in the 'box. The result, especially when down shifting, is a much easier operation. Double-clutching into 2nd, which I do as much for fun and street-cred as for saving wear and tear, is much, much easier. Redline NS rocks!
06-26-2019 08:11 AM
Mauricedean Hi Richard, Dean here, you rebuilt my trans and works great - wanted to pass info on to others about what you do ! Thanks again
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