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|06-15-2019 06:26 PM|
I've seen the Fram vs whatever videos for a while. I'm pretty convinced that the low end Fram is probably inferior to most other filters. Apparently the high end filter is better, but, also not as good as others (do a google search as I am still 2 posts away from being able to post links).
BTW, back when I lived in the Denver area in the early '80s one of the local Colorado Alfa Club members put together an Alfetta GT to run in the Pike's Peak Hill Climb. He was in the top of his class at the mid point of his run when the oil filter gasket blew out and ended his effort. And, you guessed it. A Fram filter.
|06-15-2019 07:16 AM|
My Fram story:
I used to sell industrial supplies in the Nashville area. One account was Fluffo mattress company (really). In one room of their huge building, they had pallets of baled waste material. I wondered where that goes?..
Another account, which will remain nameless (because I forgot its name; it wasn't called Fram, but Mid-Tenn Manufacturing or something equally generic) made filters. Lo and behold, there was the end user of Fluffo's pallets of mattress trimmings!
In the "Quality" control room, there were production line (unsealed) samples of the various brand-named filters. Including Fram, Wix and some off-brand generic filters. The Fram were filled with the floor sweepings and assorted detritus from Fluffo. One can would have a handful that would probably do a passable job at filtration. The next had straw, edge binding, and impenetrable plastic waste in the filter path.
The Wix had nice pleated paper fiber filtration media. Their anti-drainback valves were a floppy silicone (read: effective) where Fram was some stiff, cheap plastic/rubber crap.
I switched to Wix. (NAPA is Wix with a different paint job).
|06-15-2019 05:58 AM|
Originally Posted by dmericas View Post
|06-15-2019 05:36 AM|
Pretty compelling. I threw out two in the box Fram filters that had been on a shelf in my garage after seeing this.
|06-14-2019 05:15 AM|
If you look on YouTube you can see videos that take them apart and show you the inside of multiple filters. Fram is definitely Junk! Here is a link to the,
|06-13-2019 04:09 PM|
Originally Posted by alfaparticle View Post
|06-09-2019 07:22 AM|
I am a fool too some times when it comes to brand loyalty. As I stated in an earlier post, I started using WIX do to the cost and after speaking to the O Riley clerk. He said at a meeting they did a comparison and WIX was the better product! After watching that video and seeing the construction of the filter housing and the length of the filter papers for all of the brands why would any on buy Fran. On top of all that it was stored so long and the metal to make the Fran filter housing must be super low grade.
As most of use on this form we are older gentleman we are seeing quality slipping away (it is good enough) for the all mighty greed!!!
Enough ranting --- more driving our high quality Alfa's
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|06-09-2019 07:18 AM|
Simple. Marketing. To folks who aren't enthusiasts.
|06-09-2019 07:02 AM|
Marketing and reputation can sell ANYTHING.
|06-09-2019 06:57 AM|
|06-09-2019 05:31 AM|
|lgbalfa||If Fram is such garbage, how are they still in business?|
|06-07-2019 07:40 PM|
True, but when you are snaking your hand in past steering pumps and racks, hoses, exhaust manifolds, whatever, it can be difficult to hold onto the sandpaper at the same time you are trying to find the filter by feel in cars such as the 164, and even the Milano.
BTW, using the small 24V engine filter makes it easy to install or pull the Milano filter past things without having to remove anything. Down it goes, and up it comes. Simple compared to the 164, esp the later 24v version.
I may just glue a strip of such sandpaper onto the new filter before installing it. Will come in handy when properly installing the filter hand tight.
|06-07-2019 03:25 PM|
|Chas H||A strip of 220 grit sand paper held in the hand works as well as the grip strip on a fram-use the gritty side towards the filter.|
|06-07-2019 11:22 AM|
Since I've been using the Mobil 1 15W-50 lubricant, with the higher levels of the zinc additives comparable to the older oils, I also use the Mobil 1 oil filters. The consensus seems to be that they are an excellent filter, made by Champion, which also makes the Royal Purple, etc. I just wish they had the black grippy coating on the ends like the Fram, which can be useful if your hand is oily, I would gather.
Haven't used Fram for years, since our early Alfas, for which we never had a problem with excessive bearing wear with them, easily putting on 180k miles, still with decent oil pressure and no observable cam/tappet wear.
But, that was then.
|06-06-2019 09:48 AM|
|VabeneGTV||Double edged sword, the old part numbers on the part would do it on 105/115 cars, but they are Alfa branded, depends on who’s paying attention!|
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