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06-09-2019 05:01 PM
alfa_corsa
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Originally Posted by Vivace View Post
Well that's good to hear, as this will be essentially my Duetto setup when finished. I have the yellow Centerline springs and all new bushings. The '67 had no rear bar and I've always wondered about that.

Thanks!
You're welcome.

Here's a shot of her stance with original steelies, and also 15 x 6 Maxilites with 175/70/15s.

IMG_2430 by tjveloce, on Flickr

IMG_2437 by tjveloce, on Flickr

-tj in the Cruz Mtns
06-09-2019 08:00 AM
Delllta
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Originally Posted by CafeM View Post
I was also curious about this. Can you run the Eibach springs front and back with everything else standard?
Maybe just upgrade to Red Koni shocks.
After Rebuilding The Front & Rear Suspensions (bushings, ball joints, etc. etc. - yet keeping the stock springs) On My 73 Spider The Ride Height Was Entirely Too High, (you could easily put your fist between the top of the tire and the fender well) US Federal Mandated Height? I Didn't Want To Alter The Ride Quality (not excessively anyway) So Decided To Go With Eibach Springs From Classic Alfa. There Literature States That The Springs Will Lower The Car Approximately 40mm And Are Slightly Stiffer. That's Probably Lower Than I Wanted But Was Prepared To Shim The Springs If Necessary. After Installation The Measured Ride Height Was Reduced 1". The Car Now Has The Stance Of A Euro Spec Car (not too low in my estimation) And Is Only Slightly Stiffer. I Would Recommend The Eibach Springs For A Standard/Non-Modified Car.
06-08-2019 08:17 PM
Yachtman Robin4963, pm sent. ��
06-08-2019 04:41 PM
scuderiatc Having run both the "Centerline style" set up, and the "Alfaholics style" set up I will chime in with my $.02 worth...
I will echo two things from previous posts that I think are most important to consider. First, how do YOU want your car to handle? And, what are your expectations for both where u will drive, and what you want your car to be capable of.
When I was running the Centerline type set up, I was very happy with with it, and I will concur with the description used by others here, that it was like a go kart. However, by that I mean it was very stiff, and the suspension did not move much, so the majority of the handling feel was a result of tire grip, and much less from suspension compliance. On a smooth road, with grippy tires, it felt great, and cornered very flat. However, even slightly rough roads were rattle going slow, and upset the car going faster. Since the factory suspension had much more lean in cornering, the stiffer suspension with flatter cornering just seemed faster, especially when paired with modern grippy tires.
I read an article later about different approaches in suspension between North American tuners, and those in Europe that got me interested, and I sourced and installed the fast road kit from Alfaholics, along with koni fellows all around, as well as their recommendations for bushings, and removal of the rear sway bar, (however, I waited to remove the rear bar until I installed everything else, and tried it out with ). The most noticeable difference was how much more lean there was dialed back into cornering. However, not nearly as much as factory, and in spite of the lean, it felt grippy, but more tossable. it felt smooth, but when the rear sway bar was removed, it seemed even more smooth, and definitely improved feeling here when transitioning corners. Further, this set up was simply more compliant, letting the suspension "work" more, and therefore even lowered about an inch the same as with the Centerline set up, bottomed out less and was less harsh over rough roads.
Being lowered, both setups were challenged over speed bumps.
I don't race, and haven't autocrossed in years, so I have no idea which setup was numbers quicker, but they both felt better and faster to me than factory, but just in different ways.
06-08-2019 01:43 PM
Vivace
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Originally Posted by alfa_corsa View Post
As another data point, Im running Centerline Performance springs with Koni reds on my otherwise bone stock 66 Giulia Sprint GT Veloce. I have a front anti-sway bar but none on the rear with stock 15 steelies and 155/15 Pirellis. I absolutely love the way the car steers and handles. It doesnt have the grip of wider wheels and rubber, but it just feels right, and the ride is comfortable and compliant.

-tj in the Cruz Mtns
Well that's good to hear, as this will be essentially my Duetto setup when finished. I have the yellow Centerline springs and all new bushings. The '67 had no rear bar and I've always wondered about that.

Thanks!
06-08-2019 12:47 PM
Pat Padden Crackie...I've got Centerline springs, Koni reds at full soft. Been running these for a long time. i have no complaints.

Observations:
- The car does sit low...with the sump protector on, I bottom out on a soda can (USA) laying horizontally.
- The car handles like a go cart.
- I recently (yesterday) replaced my aged Yokohama 205/60/14 summer performance tires with some General 195/60/14 grand touring tires - that has made a difference. Considerably softer than the ride was with the Yokos. not quite as "go cart" as before, still fun though.
- I drove 200 miles on backroads yesterday and noted that there is slight understeer. I'm running 32 psi front/30 psi rear. I'll play with the air pressure and report back.
06-08-2019 09:26 AM
robin4963 Hi, I have just ordered new springs/shocks and bushes from Classic Alfa for my 1967 S2 stepfront junior.....I have attached their recommendation:

Hi, I'm looking for your thoughts on updating my 1967 S2 Stepfront GT Junior.
The car still has (To my knowledge) original suspension components and steel wheels with the exception of some bushings and track rod ends that I have replaced.
I am looking to fit new springs and dampers (Konis Reds or yellows or a mix ??) and perhaps also new alloy wheels and tyres, the car is for road use only.
I would quite like to have a lower ride height but not firm up the ride too much, hence going for 14in rather than 15in wheels.
The car feels a little loose at the rear end and quite crashy/jolty over poor surfaces.....I suspect that's most likely due to worn components and age.

Classic Alfa response:

I’ve attached a quotation showing the parts I recommend. You can type those part numbers into the search box on our website to see more information.

I included springs (Eibach and Koni Reds all round.) which are slightly stiffer and lower but still softer than our most popular handling kit. I included uprated bush kits which use rubber where this is best and polyurethane where the standard bushes are known to be too weak. The car should ride better than new, without being over-stiff.

I included 6 x 14” wheels. The key is not to go too wide with the tyres as this can spoil the steering feel.
04-19-2019 07:05 AM
carl750 I put the Centerline springs in 91 Spider years ago probably same as they sell today. Changed nothing else. It definitely improved handling with little change in comfort. But they also definitely lowered the car .. you have to be much more careful about bottoming out changing road surfaces (i.e. turning off street into a parking lot) .. I keep thinking about adding shims to raise it back up; but don't get it done.
04-17-2019 11:13 AM
alfa_corsa As another data point, Im running Centerline Performance springs with Koni reds on my otherwise bone stock 66 Giulia Sprint GT Veloce. I have a front anti-sway bar but none on the rear with stock 15 steelies and 155/15 Pirellis. I absolutely love the way the car steers and handles. It doesnt have the grip of wider wheels and rubber, but it just feels right, and the ride is comfortable and compliant.

-tj in the Cruz Mtns

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Originally Posted by crackie View Post
I am planning a new suspension for my 74 GTV. I am looking for something that is "better" than stock, but something that is tried & true by many. My requirements: nice street performance, reasonable ride, ride height that won't scrape my sump guard on street dips and a reliably "good stance" without a bunch of spring spacer trial and error.

I've read through a fair number of threads...seems to get complex quickly with spring coil counts, rebound rates, etc. I just want something tried and true that I can install and be happy without a lot of tinkering. I'll be running 65 or 60 profile tires.

To that end it seems a pretty standard setup is:
  • Centerline springs
  • Koni Reds in front
  • Koni Yellow in back
  • OEM sway bars

Is anyone running this suspension? Do you think it meets my criteria above?

Thanks!
04-17-2019 05:37 AM
CafeM I was also curious about this. Can you run the Eibach springs front and back with everything else standard?
Maybe just upgrade to Red Koni shocks.
04-16-2019 07:36 PM
Alleggerita Koni reds should be in the rear and yellows in the front .... but the SPAX low pressure gas shocks that you got on your Spider are better.

Springs. Stiffer in the front regardless of source will protect your sump even if lowered. However try not to lower too much ... use shims to avoid front lower A-arms from pointing upwards ... otherwise your now subterranean roll-center will require spring rates or a front bar that will not work well with rough roads.

Quote:
Originally Posted by crackie View Post
I am planning a new suspension for my 74 GTV. I am looking for something that is "better" than stock, but something that is tried & true by many. My requirements: nice street performance, reasonable ride, ride height that won't scrape my sump guard on street dips and a reliably "good stance" without a bunch of spring spacer trial and error.

I've read through a fair number of threads...seems to get complex quickly with spring coil counts, rebound rates, etc. I just want something tried and true that I can install and be happy without a lot of tinkering. I'll be running 65 or 60 profile tires.

To that end it seems a pretty standard setup is:
  • Centerline springs
  • Koni Reds in front
  • Koni Yellow in back
  • OEM sway bars

Is anyone running this suspension? Do you think it meets my criteria above?

Thanks!
04-16-2019 11:20 AM
alfaparticle I had a Shankle front swaybar and I removed it. It is now on Richard Jemison's new race car. My Spider handles much better on bumpy roads with the stock bar. I had to dial in more rebound on the front shocks after the change. I have no sway bar on the rear.
04-16-2019 11:01 AM
Alfie Blu My GTV came with red Koni's front and rear, Shankle silver springs, Shankle front swaybar (oversize bar with plate steel ends) and stock rear swaybar. I replaced the Shankle springs with Centerline yellow springs, kept the red Koni's but set them 1/4 from full soft, and kept both swaybars. The car rides much better but still feels like a sports car and corners like a go-kart. I have been very happy with the setup and I don't find the ride too harsh. However, it all depends on how you want the car to handle and ride. In the end if it is a car meant for the street, there will always be handling compromises, it should be setup to your liking.
04-15-2019 01:59 PM
crackie I have SPAX on my 69 Spider. Came with the car. I'm not a huge fan of gas shocks, but I actually like them a lot.
04-15-2019 01:56 PM
alfaparticle Springs will affect the ride and handling more than shocks. Red and yellow Konis are not that different when they are set on full soft. SPAX shocks are good, they are easy to adjust and they have a wide range of adjustment.
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