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04-10-2019 04:04 PM
davbert
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Originally Posted by PSk View Post
Wow, the "Rube Goldberg" definition or arch repair panels.

Glad I managed to buy the right outer arches many years ago. Pretty sure I would have ordered the wrong ones with this definition

Might be preparing for the economic collapse of England via BREXIT ...

Pete
what did you expect from the country that gave us the imperial measuring system ? :-)
04-10-2019 03:17 PM
PSk
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Originally Posted by kengta View Post
Better to stay in the positive and to say: Of the Bertone GTs, all 1750 (and 2ltr, late 1300 GTj, all 1600 GTj) chassis are high arch; or shallow arch; or taller arch; or late arch.

k
, lol.

Maybe this is the only way to be clear: Of the Bertone GTs, all 1750 (and 2ltr, late 1300 GTj, all 1600 GTj) chassis show the most of the top of the rear wheel ... with the car at the same ride height, parked in the Greenwich council car park space number 23, at 2pm on a dry Wednesday that is between a 18 to 20 degree Celius, with a full tank of fuel, original spare wheel inflated to 32 psi, tool kit, jack and bumper.

Pete
04-10-2019 03:11 PM
PSk Wow, the "Rube Goldberg" definition or arch repair panels.

Glad I managed to buy the right outer arches many years ago. Pretty sure I would have ordered the wrong ones with this definition

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PS, is it my imagination or are the alfaholics prices astronomical these days? its been a long while since i purchase anything from them
Might be preparing for the economic collapse of England via BREXIT ...

Pete
04-10-2019 02:16 PM
davbert
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Originally Posted by kengta View Post
Alfaholics is using the term shallow arch for the late chassis 68-77. See https://www.alfaholics.com/parts/105...ar-wheel-arch/

and have a look at their rear fender offerings discriptions.

I assume they are measuring from the fender line or beltline down to the wheel arch. So Shallow would be a short distance (as in late chassis) and deep would be a greater distance as in the early chassis.

Classic Alfa uses one of the other terms mentioned in this thread. High and low.

K
hello ken

saw the link... thanks. its stupid isnt it? :-)

i think they meant "shallow" meaning the depth of the draw in the inner wheel arches which has less volume than the earlier cars which are deeper. to avoid confusion, its should be called wheel housing (industry term), wheel wells or tubs as the hot rodder's call em here in america.

the later higher arch cars require a smaller wheel well hence their term "shallow". this contradicts and adds confusion to larger later arches. to combine "shallow" to the higher, taller arc of the wheel arches lays the problem for the mix up imho. after all we do in turn ID these wheel arches and cars by looking at the external body work or do stick our heads into the wheel wells?

classica afla clarifies it. simple and concise... the way it should be.

cheers

PS, is it my imagination or are the alfaholics prices astronomical these days? its been a long while since i purchase anything from them
04-10-2019 12:32 PM
kengta
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Originally Posted by davbert View Post
I agree with most of it with the exception of shallow.

here is the dictionary definition of shallow meaning: 1. having only a short distance from the top to the bottom



no not 69 S1 1750 mine or any S2 1750 that ive ran across in the last 40 yrs
Alfaholics is using the term shallow arch for the late chassis 68-77. See https://www.alfaholics.com/parts/105...ar-wheel-arch/

and have a look at their rear fender offerings discriptions.

I assume they are measuring from the fender line or beltline down to the wheel arch. So Shallow would be a short distance (as in late chassis) and deep would be a greater distance as in the early chassis.

Classic Alfa uses one of the other terms mentioned in this thread. High and low.

K
04-10-2019 12:11 PM
davbert
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Originally Posted by kengta View Post
Better to stay in the positive and to say: Of the Bertone GTs, all 1750 (and 2ltr, late 1300 GTj, all 1600 GTj) chassis are high arch; or shallow arch; or taller arch; or late arch.

k
I agree with most of it with the exception of shallow.

here is the dictionary definition of shallow meaning: 1. having only a short distance from the top to the bottom

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Originally Posted by PSk View Post
No actual 1750 shell is a low arch

Pete
no not 69 S1 1750 mine or any S2 1750 that ive ran across in the last 40 yrs
04-10-2019 11:37 AM
kengta
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Originally Posted by PSk View Post
No actual 1750 shell is a low arch

Pete
Better to stay in the positive and to say: Of the Bertone GTs, all 1750 (and 2ltr, late 1300 GTj, all 1600 GTj) chassis are high arch; or shallow arch; or taller arch; or late arch.

k
04-10-2019 11:31 AM
PSk No actual 1750 shell is a low arch

Pete
04-10-2019 11:31 AM
kengta
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Originally Posted by davbert View Post
taller, higher = more room for wheel travel or increase width of tire right? how else would you describe it?
I'm just saying there are several different ways apparently used to describe the 2 types of arches used on the Bertone GT and if a newbee finds that confusing, small wonder. nothing wrong with your take on it.

k
04-10-2019 10:45 AM
davbert
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Originally Posted by kengta View Post
Shallow / deep; low / high; now taller / shorter??
taller, higher = more room for wheel travel or increase width of tire right? how else would you describe it?
04-10-2019 09:55 AM
kengta
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Originally Posted by maire View Post
Hello

I suppose I should just contact the supplier. I’m honestly still not sure what I have.

This is the link to alfaholics.
https://www.alfaholics.com/parts/105...ar-wheel-arch/
Neither do we as you have not said what year and model you have. You mention both 69 GTV and GT junior. Maybe you could post a picture. Maybe you could take some measurements.

k
04-10-2019 09:33 AM
maire Hello

I suppose I should just contact the supplier. I’m honestly still not sure what I have.

This is the link to alfaholics.
https://www.alfaholics.com/parts/105...ar-wheel-arch/
04-10-2019 08:01 AM
kengta
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Originally Posted by davbert View Post
i have a 69 gtv. its has the later taller arches for what its worth.
Shallow / deep; low / high; now taller / shorter??
04-10-2019 07:44 AM
davbert i have a 69 gtv. its has the later taller arches for what its worth.
04-10-2019 01:06 AM
Toli0815 Hi Ken,

Thanks for this... It's much more clear now... But you're right its a bit of a strange designation/denomination... I would rather stay with the High-Wheel arches termini (Later cars as from late '67) and low wheel arch cars...

Anyway thanks a lot for the clarification.

KR
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