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11-26-2017 01:31 PM
Del I've ridden in the S and X, and was very impressed with the fit and finish (easily Audi class if not better) and, of course the acceleration, but was not as impressed with the large distracting screen in the dash. As well, they do have a heavy feel to them, as the batteries are pretty heavy, but the CG is very low helping the handling they do have. They are not inexpensive by any means, at all, but I do believe they are very viable vehicles for how they function, if you have tons of money.

LOL, a little different than the electric Fiat 500 I just drove last week. Fun in it's own way, though.
11-26-2017 12:51 PM
nealric I donít get the distain for the Model S. I thought it was a great driving experience- and not just for the face melting acceleration. Itís not a sports car- nor was it intended as such- but itís a competent sports sedan.
11-26-2017 12:35 PM
Del " If you don't get the Giulia you need to buy a Camry"

Lol, of course, many would differ with that conclusion, since while the Giulia is an accomplished vehicle, we get that, it is not the only proper game in town, as we have already established.

I would rather say, that if one doesn't get the idea of "the sporty sedan" in general, and the style of driving that it invites and allows, then yes, a Camry is suitable.
11-26-2017 06:30 AM
Michael Smith
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Originally Posted by Racer Z View Post
At some point. . . just how fast can you go. . . how quick can you accelerate. . . on public roads without getting into trouble? Crash your car or get a ticket?

It's not often that we talk about "on the track" I need to more power so I can that other car. As it stands, all of my cars have more track potential than I have dring skills. I can't tap into the full potential of any of my cars anyway.
While I appreciate what you're saying, acceleration is still not illegal as long as you aren't "stunting". And "extra" power is required to accelerate quickly at highway speeds for safety reasons, which can result in higher speed potential than is legal, indeed this has been true for decades.

Conversely, rapid acceleration is not necessarily a desirable feature by itself as any petrolhead who drives a Tesla S can attest.

What matters is the driving experience, or just buy a Camry.

The Giulia is one of those very special cars. You either get it and would give up a lot to drive one daily, or you don't. If you don't get the Giulia you need to buy a Camry. Much more suitable car for those who want only what a car does rather than what a car is.
11-25-2017 09:37 PM
Subtle
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The "joystick" gear control seems too big
Yup--when the shifter is too big it will get you every time.

TSK TSK
11-17-2017 08:23 PM
flipstah
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Yes. True. But the Golf R is a special car regardless the badge. Just the garden variety GTI is better driving than 95% of the cars sold today and I'd have no issues driving one every day.


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I'll argue this one. Coming from a Mk6 Golf R, the new iteration, the MK7, isn't that special since it became part of the VW lineup.

The MK6 was barely special because the recipe was changed when they just slapped a bigger turbo on their GTI engine and put a FWD-bias Haldex AWD.

It stopped being special when the VR6 disappeared.

It does push out more power than the Alfa with 292hp.
10-27-2017 03:22 PM
Racer Z
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I test drove the Ti with the Sport package and it didnít suck. At all. The OP stated his V8 M3 is essentially faster than the turbo 4. Yah think? Still not slow by any stretch, was perfectly balanced, and just too cool to look at or sit in.


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At some point. . . just how fast can you go. . . how quick can you accelerate. . . on public roads without getting into trouble? Crash your car or get a ticket?

It's not often that we talk about "on the track" I need to more power so I can that other car. As it stands, all of my cars have more track potential than I have dring skills. I can't tap into the full potential of any of my cars anyway.
10-05-2017 10:08 PM
Ragnomaniac I test drove the Ti with the Sport package and it didnít suck. At all. The OP stated his V8 M3 is essentially faster than the turbo 4. Yah think? Still not slow by any stretch, was perfectly balanced, and just too cool to look at or sit in.


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10-05-2017 07:23 PM
Del As I feared and expressed, I saw on the national news that the newest studies show that all the new interactive electronics such as touch screens and voice activation for HVAC, GPS, entertainment, and communication are proving to be much more distracting than previously though, more than just, say, cell phone use, etc.

The test drivers found it very difficult to avoid being drawn to the screen almost against their will. Their comments were that it was hard to use the systems effectively or efficiently, often losing attention of their driving for many seconds at a time.

Who would have thought, duh, lol.

Another reason to perhaps avoid the new cars, regardless of how good they may be in driving, IMO.
09-12-2017 11:21 AM
ciao55 I own a Giulia and love it. These comparisonsns with a VW make me giggle. The Giulia is a sophisticated sports sedan that is at or near the top of its class. The Golf, while it is performance orientated looks like a 20 year old design and has no sex appeal. The Alfa has personality. Germans build cars, Italians create them.
09-11-2017 05:52 PM
Alfissimo Int. I agree with Joe, with it all OFF it can feel very analog, it does still hold what Alfa is about and has always been about. Styling is another thing. I like it but I also think they could have made it a little more unique, just a little! The interior is fabulous! The 2.0L is pretty fun to drive. Reminds me of the old 164 with the Twin spark. Lighter and better handling but the Qv 952 with all the new technology (reverse thinking here), it becomes hard to tell the difference between the lighter 2.9L. (3,360 pounds) and slightly heavier 2.0L (3,456 lb) but the QV definitely has an advantage. I'd go test drive it again and turn off everything and put it through the ringer. I am sure then you might see what it has to offer. If not, then this car is not for you!
08-31-2017 05:53 PM
Michael Smith Take comfort in the fact that AI cannot yet drive a car nor does anyone alive today have any idea how to develop AI that can. It's not just difficult or might take some time to develop AI to the point where a car might drive itself it is currently both impossible and nobody has a clue where to look next for a way to do this.

Smart cruise control is one thing. A truly self driving car is quite a different thing altogether.

For me, since 2008, the ZF automatic (6 and now 8 spd) provides a superior driving experience to any manual gearbox, and three of my four cars have 5 or 6 spd manual shifts. In fact, I have only owned two automatics, both Jaguars and both with ZF transmissions.

The Giulia drive is not impaired in the slightest by having a ZF automatic.

And I just test drove a base model again today. The Giulia is one of the all time great cars in my opinion. Best driving sports sedan currently available in North America. Period.
08-31-2017 08:09 AM
Nakagtv I know, I know...very soon cars will drive and race better than us and steering wheel will become obsolete
08-31-2017 07:14 AM
Michael Smith You will be waiting forever for a manual shift Giulia.

These ZF 8 spds are just too good.

They are locked up in second to eighth gear and can be manually shifted whenever you wish.

They deliver better acceleration and lower fuel consumption. With electronic traction control (and especially with awd) there is nothing left for the manually operated clutch to do.

Manual transmissions are a bit lighter but otherwise are obsolete.

Stop start has nothing to do with driving skill. These systems improve urban cycle fuel economy. In North America the cost of fuel does not justify the cost of adding these systems. They are still very nice to have, like automatics that drive better than manuals.....
08-31-2017 05:37 AM
Nakagtv
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As I say, if the manufacturer relies on stop start for fuel economy ratings then you cannot switch it off. In Europe, you cannot switch these features off.

It is very easy to get used to stop start. Just ignore it. After a short while you miss it when it isn't working as during winter for example.

The systems are very sophisticated. Once you get used to how they work you can pretty much control when the engine restarts and during parking or stop and go traffic you can generally keep the engine running.

One nifty feature in my XF Jaguar is the car shuts down completely if I select park and undo my seatbelt during a stop session. The first couple of times it happened caught me off guard but once you know to expect it the feature is very convenient. Another good feature is during more lengthy stops you can select neutral and set the handbrake or select park and then you can let off the footbrake and the engine stays off unless heat or AC or wiper action is required. Very handy.

Cyclists and pedestrians waiting with you for lights to change really appreciate this feature also, as I do when walking or biking.
Hello Michael,
I'm aware of the sophisticated technology in modern cars and it's necessity in today's world, especially in congested urban areas. I on the other hand roll to work on 35 mph streets with sleep inducing 1400 rpm, complement of 8 gear ZF transmission. Engine Start Stop would activate 1-2 times, maybe 3-4 in rush hour on a short traffic light stops, so I ditched it and it's great not to have to turn it off every time I start the car. My household annual mileage is under 10000 miles and we try to be environmentally friendly at home and work, so does not that entitle me to few bad driving habits? Can't wait for a weather to cool off so I can drive my cat free 105 with hot street engine

And to stay on the topic: reason there is not a TI or even QV parked in my driveway is lack of manual trans.

Ciao
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