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04-06-2019 01:03 PM
guillotineFI 8int this thread run it's course awready?

2 more and I will leave you alone. Sorry.
04-06-2019 12:59 PM
guillotineFI 7, I mean Steven
04-06-2019 12:56 PM
guillotineFI Sex, I mean 6
04-06-2019 11:54 AM
Anfanuts
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I think there will be plenty of people maintaining interest in old cars in future. . . . There will always be people who like hands on old school stuff.
IMO, based on my 5 kids and all their friends - even though raised on brake bleeding and Italian tune-ups - those will be far, far fewer than today. And not enough to sustain sales. Poof. Once the well-off retired nostalgic boomer bubble bursts, there will be a vast oversupply, leaving depressed cars once again to rot. Add the other vectore and to me it is not a good picture. Again, just my opinion.
04-06-2019 11:47 AM
Anfanuts Well, I have to admit now there may be an upside to help alleviate the boredom: https://www.maxim.com/rides/people-h...P9NaAjRP7BaEmQ
04-04-2019 09:51 PM
oz3litre Thanks for sharing that clip Jim. It’s beautiful. What a stunning sounding guitar she is playing too. Making music is my other passion aside from cars.

I think there will be plenty of people maintaining interest in old cars in future. My 26 year old son for one. Look at the number of steam trains being restored and even built from scratch in the case of the two in England. There are heaps of warbirds, like Spitfires, being restored. In New Zealand they build WWW1 aircraft from scratch as well as WW2 stuff, like the two Mosquitoes. Here in South Australia there is massive interest in old cars. We have an annual run from the city to the motor museum in the hills that attracts more than one thousand classic vehicles one year and a similar number of veteran and vintage cars the next. My brother takes his 67 Mustang on summer cruises organised by his brother in law, that attracts around 400 American cars. We also have steam trains, traction engines, machines and paddle steamers here. There will always be people who like hands on old school stuff.
04-04-2019 08:58 PM
180OUT So, who will be interested in our kinds of cars in the coming years? Will anybody in the younger generation appreciate the seductive sound of an old Alfa running on Webers enough to actually learn about, own, drive and---be still my heart---actually work on them? For that to happen we're going to need a small subset of the larger population who will "get" the unique esthetics that attracted us to old Alfas. Happily, if you look at the numbers of 20 somethings who are avid classical guitarists or, perhaps even better, who are avidly learning about and participating in early music, I think you'll find groups of people who might very well find old Alfas charming and interesting enough to become as involved with GTV's, Supers, and Spiders as they are lutes and unamplified guitars. Maybe. . . . There's just enough possibility for this to hapen, that I cautiously maintain hope.

04-04-2019 08:19 AM
iachella
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I wouldn't even trust my own code to drive a car.
I would much prefer you code it than the kids that are doing it today. You would at least put in scenarios that the kids coding today would overlook. But yeah, I prefer that coding be used to help design something and not to operate it, unless lives are not involved.

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Yes they want autonomous and human cars to co exist, but they can't.
This is why I am vigilant about meeting those who want it and to keep reminding them. They call it the 4th Industrial Revolution and I am trying to be as involved as I can. Maybe it will not help, but I will not let up. It's happening in my corner of the globe, so I can at least try. I think they will co-exist as they are currently being tested here in San Jose. I do not see it stopping. There are setbacks yes, but as coders always do, rewrite the code and try again.
04-03-2019 06:13 PM
oz3litre Boeing is a good example of what happens when software with no override function goes wrong. People die. If that sort of thing happened in a self drive car there would be no time to do anything about it. A plane might be 10,000 metres high, which would allow time to correct, whereas a car might have two seconds. It is incredibly naive of the nerds to think their coding is always going to be perfect in every possible situation for the life of the vehicle. It’s going to take a hell of a lot longer than the dreamers think and people will die in the process. I can’t imagine anything more boring than sitting in an autonomous car.
04-03-2019 04:57 PM
PSk And yet Boeing can't even code well enough to keep their 737 Maxs in the air.

I write code. I wouldn't even trust my own code to drive a car. 9 billion times more complicated than flying a plane.

And sorry folks. Yes they want autonomous and human cars to co exist, but they can't. Human driven cars insurance costs will sky rocket making it too expensive to consider.


From a social science point of view, we are really stuffing up what is great about the human race, taking anything that requires skill away from people => humans become idiots!

You do realise if the trip you need to take is boring, public transport is actually an option. Proper functioning public transport is so much better for us, the planet, employment than self driving cars, which is nothing more than a few nerdy virgins getting off on the "can I code it" challenge
Pete
04-03-2019 01:04 PM
Anfanuts
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Concerning self driving vehicles. I was at an AI event in San Jose recently and a rep for a self driving vehicle software development company introduced himself to me and said things like Jake13 said above. About the convenience and such. I acknowledged the benefit, but pointed out some of the things we talk about here all the time. The pleasure of driving our cars, etc. He was very understanding and knows very well the love of old cars. At least his company doesn't envision a world with everyone who doesn't want to drive, but a world with many kinds of drivers.
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I see a future were we have the option to drive or be transported depending on our desire. Quite frankly, I'd be very happy to see the vast majority of drivers given that option because they seem more inclined to be on their phones and plow into my wonderful cars!

The problem we are facing has been pointed out already, it's the change in demographics. You can't force these millennials to enjoy cars the way we did. Cars will never be a symbol of independence or individuality to them the way it was for us.
I am not so sanguine about the "live and let live" notion. The left spectrum are often called "collectivists" versus the right "individualists". I always say that, collectivists just want to collect and tell you what to do, while individualists just want to be individuals and be left alone. There are just too many examples in past history and present validating this. I'm sure [SARC] it will be a better world with an officious administrative cabal of scientific progressive experts telling us how to live, love and drive. 180out can discuss "social movements" until the cars are gone on this. That's why I say "drip, drip, drip. In the linked article look at how expansive the restricted area becomes with the next increment as folks are "nudged" (Cass Sunstein) along. The vectors working against dino and self-driven cars are many: demographic, cultural, social, political, regulatory, technology and economic.
04-03-2019 10:36 AM
Jake13 Also, if companies like Tesla didn't understand our love for cars they wouldn't give them ludicrous mode. Musk has often talked about his love for his e-type jag. I see a future were we have the option to drive or be transported depending on our desire. Quite frankly, I'd be very happy to see the vast majority of drivers given that option because they seem more inclined to be on their phones and plow into my wonderful cars!

The problem we are facing has been pointed out already, it's the change in demographics. You can't force these millennials to enjoy cars the way we did. Cars will never be a symbol of independence or individuality to them the way it was for us. I do think we parents can do something about it though. My 18 month old daughter for example was saying "vroom vroom" before she could say "mama"and her third word was "Alfa". That's not by chance! It's because I wear car shirts everyday, have car art around the house (she's already stolen a few for her room), and got her driving at 1 year. She was in a walker watching me tinker on my cars since she could be in one. Ironically I haven't done that since I brought the Alfas home because they make my garage reek of fuel and oil. I have some work to do there because my daughter always wants to sit in the Alfas...
04-03-2019 08:10 AM
iachella
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when the catalytic converter clogs they turn into polluters
I didn't know this. My 79 had a gutted cat when I got it from the previous owner. It passed smog pretty easily though, even when California went to rolling road smog checks. Now that I have a twin spark in it, I can't attempt the check even though it is probably cleaner than the Spica engine that came out. It's a shame I can't improve the environment because the engine doesn't exist in our database.

Concerning self driving vehicles. I was at an AI event in San Jose recently and a rep for a self driving vehicle software development company introduced himself to me and said things like Jake13 said above. About the convenience and such. I acknowledged the benefit, but pointed out some of the things we talk about here all the time. The pleasure of driving our cars, etc. He was very understanding and knows very well the love of old cars. At least his company doesn't envision a world with everyone who doesn't want to drive, but a world with many kinds of drivers.

I will meet these developers in my line of work and will always make it a point to tell them that there will always be manual driving cars and drivers that love to drive. I don't criticize them in any way. I just want them to know that their systems need to account for other cars that don't fit their profile. One of these companies has a CEO who drives his mid 80s 911 to work, so he certainly understands it.
04-02-2019 10:40 PM
PSk
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And meanwhile . . . Califa's air quality is better than ever and America leads the world in having clean air. This happens because of California's emphasis on technological innovations to solve air quality problems.
Yes, a good thing; but you had too because of your huge population and love of cars.

The cure followed the problem not the other way around.
Pete
04-02-2019 10:22 PM
Jake13 I might be the only one that has a bit of a different view on electric and self driving cars. I actually like them. We have a Tesla model X which is actually quite fun to drove despite all the hate it gets from petrolheads. The suspension is supple for its size, the weight transfer is impressive, acceleration can't be beat (quite literally) and the view from the gigantic windscreen is incredible. I often drive from South Orange County to Pasadena which is often over 2 hours of driving each way and I can say that self driving is absolutely welcome. Why would I want to be driving a manual in 2 hours of stop and go? There is nothing pleasurable about that. Once my Tesla is full self driving I will be happy to let go of the controls and focus on productivity. That just means I can make more money and be home sooner to play with the kids in the house or the kids in the garage.

I think the two will coexist for quite some time though it's also very possible that our classics may be electrified in the next 20 years... eeeek!
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