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Could you fit an Ferrari F154 engine in the new Giulia Quadrifoglio?

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#1 · (Edited)
Hello,

I was wondering if there was a possibility to swap the engine of the new Giulia Quadrifoglio with the Ferrari F154 engine. I say this since this new Alfa engine is derived from the F154.

Thanks!
 
#40 ·
In my experience you get used to whatever power your car has and it feels like it is slowing down, leading to the desire for more horsepower. I first noticed that back in my days of hotting up VW Beetles. My GT 3.2 V6 has 250 BHP and weighs 1410 kg which, along with the Quaife LSD and KW coil overs, makes it very fast and a heck of a lot of fun to drive. Sometimes I find myself wondering what it would be like to tweak it up, but the fact that it costs a lot to modify cars like that and the fact that these days it is harder to get away with indulging in traffic light drags like I did in my VW days, prevents me from doing so. I haven't driven a car with 500 BHP, but I am sure that after a while I would get used to that as well. I remember Jackie Stewart talking about that effect with the racing cars he drove. He said it was like time slowed down and he remembered doing 190 MPH down the straight and having the time to muse about how effective a marshall in a wheelchair on the side of the track would be if there was an accident.
 
#44 ·
I saw a video of the Guilia QV breaking the Porsche Panamerican Nuringburg lap record. I plan to buy a Guilia QV because my Milano Verde needs another 100 hp, but the drive line, brakes and chassis were not designed for that much power. I wonder if someone might develop a special chip to increase the Guilia QV horsepower or if Alfa will make a two door Guilia QV.
 
#45 ·
You guys have got to stop using the 'Chip' word................ :wink2:

Cars haven't had 'chips (EPROMs)' in their ECU for nearly 20 years. Tuning is done by reflashing the ECU. If there are people out there selling anything that must be wired into the car to facilitate tuning, run away!
Far away!

And stop believing the BS claims. The Giulia is already swallowing 1.5Bar/22psi of boost pressure. If there is someone out there claiming another 100ish hp from just a tune, pure BS!

Power is adictive and so is adrenaline.
The power is always there, but you get use to the adrenaline.
 
#46 ·
I think that saying a car has too much power, I see only on this forum. Cant say I see it on german fora, most want more :)

Alfa which is a sporty brand has to increase power with the compettion. For the eighties 200Hp was enough for a sporty car, today 500Hp is just right to be called sporty. So there has been development. And Alfa still wants to be called sporty. Compared with modern cars like the Tesla P85 which can boast 700Hp in a family car, the Alfa is not outrageous at all. You might even want more of the sporty stuff. Factory says 50-100+ Hp is no problem, maybe with 4WD. Then its all up to how robust the engine is built to manage. Turbos and valves can be changed as well the the program. I think if Alfa sells a lot of cars in US and Europe, there will be demand for upgrades from tuners, which will result in the same upgrades as the compettion do.

G.
 
#47 ·
I am not saying 500 HP is too much, rather that it is plenty for most conditions in which the cars will be driven. If people want more, that is up to them I guess, but I reckon they will never be satisfied. Lets not forget that the majority of the Giulias sold will be a lot less powerful. I would buy a QV in a blink if I had the funds.
 
#50 ·
Yes it is a pity that Alfa succumbed to putting Tupperware on their engines. It doesn't suggest there is anything special hiding underneath it. I am always proud to open the bonnet of my GT 3.2 at displays because it is a work of art.
 
#51 · (Edited)
Same with my 164LS.


"today 500Hp is just right to be called sporty"

Wow, your definition of sporty sure must be different than most who were raised on traditional sporty cars for the average enthusiast.

Ok, maybe very high end over the top sporty, but for most of us who either cannot afford super cars, or do like a more balanced product, that number comes across as relatively esoteric, excessive, regardless of how it drives.
 
#52 ·
Interesting see that the one who is bored contributes with nothing, just wants the info flow their way! :) What ever..

Anyway on this model, the Alfa Quadrifoglio, the factory has been very withholding of pictures of their new engines, while earlier there were always nice studio photos of the new engines in their press kit. Just wonder why they are holding back so much, releasing only engine in car photos? So I could only get hold of 2 further detail photos, one of them of the rear of the engine from the video introduction. Will see if I can get more from the distributor here! On the video photo it can be seen clearly that the cam drive is on the rear of the engine, the clutch side, just like on the Ferrari engines 488 and California T. The other photo has another angle than the first I showed before, showing details of the front.

G.
 

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#53 ·
The Ferrari V8 engines latest generation from California T and 488.

Differences to be seen between those 2 are flat plenums of the 488 and also much bigger headers on the 488 compared to the California-T. The California T seems to be one to compare with the Alfa engine for similarities if there are any, you judge yourself.
Bore and stroke is the same, V-angle the same, so is the rear cam drive and direct injection. What we miss is data for cylinder distance and valve sizes for the two engines. Well, here are photos of the Ferrari engines.

Further photos of the California T engine:

Ferrari California T

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#54 · (Edited)
The Giulia Qaudrifoglio.

Then there is the engine compartment arrangement (also called packaging). Surely everybody wants a nice engine compartment, but also surely many were disappointed that Alfa did not manage to package the V6 engine more nicely, as in the old days of Busso V6!

Their answer was that there are so many valves and tubes that the only solution was place a plastic plate on the top of the engine! :)

Then, Ferrari manages without plastic cover!? They have the same concept very nicely without plastic camouflage.

Also I have compared the Quadrifoglio engine compartment with the compartment of the Audi RS4 B5. For those who dont know the Audi has same type of V6 90 engine 2,7L, with twin turbos. On the Audi its a much nicer arrangement, and what seems like plastic look alike tubes to the plenums, are actually aluminium tubes with carbon fiber plates attached around. Then question, why dont Alfa make something like that?? Styling department was on vacation?

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#55 · (Edited)
"Interesting see that the one who is bored contributes with nothing, just wants the info flow their way! What ever"

Personally, I find the ongoing discussion about the origins of the hot Giulia engine to be relatively esoteric, limited to a few, although not boring. It is interesting, and fitting to be in the BB.

We are free to express an opinion (clearly based on your own stated), which is felt by many just as you are to express yours. No dissing intended or necessary.

Just saying, it would seem that most potential customers of the new Alfa are likely waiting for a midpriced, midpowered version, that ultra high powered versions are limited by finances or desires to just a few customers, just as the 4C has been, although I admit that in it's 4 door configuration, it can be more practical in that respect. Most of those desired customers would most likely deem their purchase versions as pretty sporty and fun.

Thus, the big engine is interesting in design and output but not likely the reason for most of the potential sales for a sporty sedan.

cheers and peace, from a Norse descendant (Lofoten), Akershus?).
 
#56 · (Edited)
Sure, peace, but that remark was aimed at the guy with the poster!

With some luck maybe I will get the opportunity to ride a Quadrifoglio and a 4C on track, on an Alfa gathering.

Lofoten is a really scenic place, most leave for Oslo or abroad for job opportunities. Myself I am from Budapest, but living here a Lifetime:

Cheers
G.
 
#57 · (Edited)
Ok, understand. Mea culpa. Misunderstanding, lol.

There are those who perhaps just like to tweek people, just for yucks, then disappearing. Still, interesting discussion. The pictures of that engine make it look like it is totally complicated.

Mother's folks came from Lofoten and east of Oslo in farmland. Have been there several times, and will return again to take the Hurtigruten up the coast, and visit exchange student parents again.

The Giulias are now showing up here locally I guess. Haven't seen a 4C on the road yet, garage queens I spect. Test drive coming up this Spring I've been told, lol. Won't be serious until they announce a European purchase plan. No TV ads.
 
#59 · (Edited)
Just reminder that Alfa is a sporty brand, should actually do some car related sporty activities!!

Well. TESLA is a Family sedan with about 700hp in the 4WD Version. no sporty ambitions like Alfa Romeo. Still they now will participate in an electric car competition in Europe and the US. They removed 500kg of luxury item from the car and made carbon fiber parts in addition to make the car competitive on track. It now makes 0-100 in 2,9s. Hopefully this is enough to make the car competitive. Will be interesting to see lap times comparable to other GT cars with petrol engines.

And Alfa, will they have electric cars? Havent heard of any! Even Ferrari made a hybrid at least to show they coped with the technology. I´d say to Alfa, keep in touch with technology trends!

Electric GT Tesla Model S | News, Specs, Performance, Pictures | Digital Trends


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#62 ·
Well this thread went totally off course and crashed guess the OP just sucked you guys into a full blown :eek:fftopic: discussion.

Keep up the good work :thumbup1:


btw...it's a meme not a 'poster'
 
#64 ·
Hi guys. A massive bump to this thread and my first post. I have been active over on the the Giulia forum. AKAIK the Quad engine IS based on the Ferrari F154. That's what I've seen in all the literature and online. It's a shame Alfa couldn't make a more impressive engine cover. And large intake plenums are not really necessary on an intercooled system with lots of plumbing. The CaliT plenums are small as seen above. What I want to see is a pic of the Quad engine with the cover off. The pics above look a little lumpy but Alfa is bragging about the high temp plastics too. ;) I ordered a Quad a little more than a week ago. Waiting for my VON.
 
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